JetLag UK and Ireland - helpdesk-chat

@Helpdesk

06:00

Can anyone access #main-announcements ?

06:00

If not, let me know

06:00

Also

06:01

So i'd like to try and send you some tips on what to do or expect throughout this format

06:01

In terms of when a team completes a section, I suggest doing something like in this channel stated #helpdesk-announcements . This is from one of our previous games.

06:02

Basically when a team claims a section, it gets announced.

06:09

I think I'd need at least one person in charge of doing the announcements.

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

Can anyone access #main-announcements ?

I can see it, but not write there

All channels should be accessible now

Indeed they are

Where's the verification chats?

Fahmi Sack

Where's the verification chats?

Not yet done. I've been heavily focused on sorting out the format which is still being done

Here are some examples on how announcements be made on any team making a claim

19:00

Would be nice to come up with some sort of script

@FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb could you please give helpdesk perms to pin messages?

Fahmi Sack

@FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb could you please give helpdesk perms to pin messages?

I don't think there's an option for this

05:59

Yeah it's unclear, I can't do this.

Draft list of lines that are shared with different networks but on same track: Euston - Harrow and Wealdstone (Bakerloo Line, National Rail and Overground) Gunnersbury - Richmond (District Line and Overground) Paddington - West Drayton (National Rail and Elizabeth Line) Hammersmith - Paddington - King's Cross - Liverpool Street - Gloucester Road - Edgware Road (Circle, District, Met and Hammersmith Lines) Denmark Hill - Nunhead (Any National Rail Service) Orpington - Shortlands - Orpington/ St Mary Cray (Any National Rail Service) Slade Green - London Bridge (Any National Rail Service) NXG - Norwood Junction (Overground, Any National Rail Service) Sutton - Mitcham Eastfields (Any National Rail Service) Coulsdon South - Norwood Junction (Any National Rail Service) Clapham Junction - Shephard's Bush (Overground, Any National Rail Service) Rayners Lane - Uxbridge (Met, Piccadilly Line) Hadley Wood - New Southgate (Any National Rail Service) Stratford - Romford (National Rail, Elizabeth) Liverpool Street - Hackney Downs (National Rail, Overground) Hayes - St Johns/Lewisham (Any National Rail Service)

11:52

I'd appreciate if anyone can research this through, it's the best I can do for now

I appreciate that you took the time to compile this but does the track taken really matter?

11:54

I doubt the helpdesk are going to have the time to look this up on the day

11:55

the important bit is just station of origin, station of departure, and time taken

11:55

It might be useful to have a spreadsheet for that actually

It's just, ambiguity in what counts as truely one line. Like would it make sense for teams to repeatedly use the circular line several times because of different lines serving it?

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13:34

What do yall think

Looks good

15:18

Fahmi still has a Team 1 role, so I keep getting confused

MediocreLogarithm257

Fahmi still has a Team 1 role, so I keep getting confused

No I don't...

MediocreLogarithm257

Fahmi still has a Team 1 role, so I keep getting confused

fixed it

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

fixed it

Thanks

Fahmi Sack

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Excellent

@Helpdesk

06:37

Wakey wakey

Morning

Rayners Lane-Uxbridge only has Metropolitan line today

07:26

“Avoid interchanging at King's Cross St. Pancras where possible, as this is expected to be very busy.” That’s not fully avoidable in this game

Morning hey

Draft Spares: Bus: Eat a slice of Pizza: You must buy and eat a pizza simply by the slice. Ordering a full pizza and taking a slice out of it will not count. Imitate any Jet Lag Guest: You must reenact a script from/ imitate any, of the guests that appeared in Jet Lag. (Toby, Scotty, Michelle etc) Flag down a bus: You must take a photo of a member of your team at a bus stop signalling as if they're flagging down a bus whilst the bus approaches towards the stop. You must be at a stop where the route of the bus approaching would stop. You do not have to board the bus. Train: Go up and down on a lift or Escalator: All team members must go up and down (Or vice versa) using any escalator or lift at any tube/rail/DLR etc station. You may combine and use both an escalator and a lift. Record a train passing through at a station: You must record a train passing through at any tube/rail/DLR etc station. The train must not be scheduled to stop and you must be on station grounds. You may use realtimetrains to search for any passing train at a station, these trains can be determined with the word "pass" on the left side. Locate a bus named after a prime minister: You must locate any bus named after a prime minister. Stating either their first or last names count.

07:33

Here are some spares in case.

07:33

I'm gonna mute myself from here from now on

One thing I’ve noticed is you can complete unpinned challenges. Are we allowing that?

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

Wakey wakey

Morning! Just woke up

TTR London Bonus Locations: https://maps.app.goo.gl/tK9phvif362ikENb8?g_st=ic At the start of the game, each team will draw half of the locations in this map.

TTR London Map - Google My Maps

Map of points in TTR London

07:44

Will post this in #main-announcements . Looks good?

MediocreLogarithm257

One thing I’ve noticed is you can complete unpinned challenges. Are we allowing that?

Use, pinning is to spare them from being flopped when it happens once every one hour and half. (edited)

Links to the app for each team: Team 1: https://jetlaguk.pages.dev/?team=agzppsrtze Team 2: https://jetlaguk.pages.dev/?team=peooeyojsl They must not choose to start game, we'll do that when we start (I can fix it if necessary but let's try to avoid it happening)

Why don't we just give the link when the moment the game starts?

Just last few questions, are you confident on how you can announce when one team claims a section?

Kinda

If you look in #helpdesk-announcements channel you can see what I'm talking about.

I know how to do the formatting, but not the images

Images are probably not a big deal but beneficial

# HTML bit is easy.

Though there's like 5 of you in Helpdesk, it probably would be good if someone can keep track in a map, also have a spreadsheet and stuff

08:05

I think Ratt suggested the latter.

How many of us helpdeskers are actually online right now?

3

I think some won't be online till later

Piccadilly line is part closed... (edited)

@here does anyone have a link to the final version of the rules/challenges list? Just preparing a bunch of links for my notepad.

I'm back home now

I'm online as well Will only be available for the first half of the day, just a heads up

Lusamine

I'm online as well Will only be available for the first half of the day, just a heads up

Ok, I'm here all day

So for ticket claims, you claim the line when you mention it, and then the claim stays if you travel on it?

08:53

I should be fine all day too (except dinner)

Dinner as in lunch or Dinner as in the evening?

Dinner for me, but probably close to lunch time in the UK

MediocreLogarithm257

So for ticket claims, you claim the line when you mention it, and then the claim stays if you travel on it?

Yes, but then after 1 1/2 hours if not any section not travelled on, they'd be left unclaimed

08:57

Just a heads up.

08:58

We probably won't be starting at 9 but will let you know when we've started (edited)

1

Okay

Is there a finalized rules doc anywhere?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r1-CBhBrNGs9ePRGNF8Hp4ANfINrYnaWiQUlLXdEtBw/edit?usp=drivesdk This is the only one I've got

Draft Rules - Ticket To Ride London

From the start location in the centre of London (ideally a bus hub, maybe Kings Cross/Victoria, or for central central London, maybe Waterloo), teams aim to create an unbroken line of ticketed journeys from the start location to various other locations, among them more central locations and fur...

Forgot to upload the speadsheet for route claims

‍♂️

Better get it ready

09:01

Let us know so we can start

Will do, standby

Link to claims spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CKrC7yqTFyD9uFsSp1n7Kpi9C0kfmPIcSCCtvApsX2c/edit?usp=sharing

TTR London Claims

09:03

Should we add a "via" for trains?

Probably

09:03

Or a little notes tab

09:04

I think we're ready? React

4

09:06

Ok, I'll hit start game then. It's Go Go Go!

So what happens if one team starts the break and then the other team declares a battle?

1

It is delayed.

Okay

And does the flop reset through rest period as well?

I think so

Lusamine

And does the flop reset through rest period as well?

Yes.

2

09:13

Is everyone meant to see all the locations?

Yes

@MediocreLogarithm257 Are you keeping track of the App then?

09:21

Note: Team 2 wild card is for the Bus!

I check it every so often

What's with the location cards then?

I think it's you can claim any of them, but only 1 team can do so

09:23

So similar to challenge flop

Team 2 haven't pinned a location (edited)

09:25

The Conplete Challenge button doesn't work for me

It seems to take a while to do so. Also the challenge cannot be pinned by the other team

Is that grammatically correct?

https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1273027719583760496/1274284860579512373 I can't see the words very clearly

Killing In New Graveyards Sounds Charming; Right Off Some Stupidity

The second part of it is questionable

Grammatically, it looks ok, it doesn't have to make sense?

Grammatically correct (edited)

Confirmed,

important point that we should be keeping track of - teams have a minutes bank of unused travel minutes on their tickets

I think only for trains though?

I believe so, as bus tickets reserve the entire line

They reserve the whole line but I believe the intent was still that each individual bus ticket claimed by challenge entitles a 15 minute journey?

09:46

The draft rules are a bit of a mess, there's some older parts that were just copy/pasted in and it's difficult to tell. The SL7 rule applies a max journey time of 30 minutes for that specific line though

09:46

Which implies to me that the normal bus line tickets are capped at the 15 minute journey time

Ok, definitely possible I misunderstood

So there's a 15 minute limit, regardless?

It used to be 20, but that part got removed when it was changed to claiming the whole line

09:48

Along with the actually need to travel on the section part (edited)

So that means Team 1 can only ride 253 until 10:02??

I don't think so

09:50

There seems to be some weird rules in the rule doc

Might want to defer to Otaku on this because there's a pretty critical difference between being able to ride a bus line end to end unrestricted and being able to ride it for 15 minutes

Ping him on here

The former sounds exploitable to me

It does

Yeah

I checked their location and they're in that garden

MediocreLogarithm257

I checked their location and they're in that garden

Agreed, just waiting to see if they've actually found it

But probably wait till they see the geocache

That is a virtual geocache, there's nothing to photograph

Okay

(for reference I do geocaching) (edited)

Ok, I'll agree to approve

1

09:56

So what's with this 15 minute thing then?

15 minutes is for trains

And its unrestricted to busses, except SL7?

Yes

Ok

At least that's what I was told

Yeah that's what I understood too

09:59

Is it 15 minutes scheduled or actual?

I'd personally go with scheduled to allow pre-planning, but I don't think it was fully mentioned

Agree

the problem is that different parts of the rules were written for different versions of the game lol. I still think it's a little odd if bus tickets are unlimited but if that's the way we're ruling it, ddlc_monika_shrug

Because practically speaking, you don't tap out on a bus

And you also claim the entire route once you ride on it

‍♂️ (edited)

And so technically a ticket could be used for the entire bus route

Do you need to actually ride on the bus? I may have accidentally said differently between teams

10:03

I explicitly told Team 2 they need to, but not Team 1

I would say you would have to, but from this point onwards

Okay

10:05

I'll mention it in #game-announcements then

Fahmi Sack

So what's with this 15 minute thing then?

@FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb Please clarify/comfirm this 15 minute rule?

Fahmi Sack

@FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb Please clarify/comfirm this 15 minute rule?

Clarify.

The conflict is that either having claimed the whole route you can ride along it an unlimited distance because it's claimed, or you're only allowed a 15 minute journey on it per ticket and the unlimited journey along already claimed route rule applies... somehow

10:08

Specifically related to buses

10:08

I don't know if I said that clearly enough

10:09

Mediocre has interpreted the rules as being if you claim a bus route you can ride it for an unlimited time because it's claimed

10:09

because there is a rule that says that

Initially I was thinking not riding on claimed lines but in case of emergency you can ride it using any of mins unused (edited)

10:10

I'd keep checking the rules and scroll down

10:11

Yeah, 15 mins journey for trains only

10:11

30 mins for bus route sl7

When do teams count a ticket as used? At start or end?

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

Yeah, 15 mins journey for trains only

Perfect.

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

Yeah, 15 mins journey for trains only

So players are allowed an unlimited journey time along their claimed bus routes?

Fahmi Sack

When do teams count a ticket as used? At start or end?

Both

10:12

If bus routes are claimed, you claim whole route.

I mean in the App

In terms of when they press the use button

The emergency ping was because team 2 seem to have interpreted the rules as bus tickets only allowing them a 15 minute journey

10:14

and I think it's important to correct them on that if they can ride the claimed line end to end

10:14

ratt

and I think it's important to correct them on that if they can ride the claimed line end to end

Yes, I'll clarify in #game-announcements

just to like triple check, this is correct, yeah?

Yes

my reply at the bottom

10:17

Yes.

I vaguely remember some potential cases where you can't get to certain locations from a bus stop 10 minutes or less away

MediocreLogarithm257

I vaguely remember some potential cases where you can't get to certain locations from a bus stop 10 minutes or less away

In that case it'll be the closest bus stop that counts (edited)

10:20

Line of sight

Emirates Stadium is one of them iirc (edited)

10:22

Counting drinks as a food product?

MediocreLogarithm257

Counting drinks as a food product?

Only if its sold together as a single item on a receipt like a meal (edited)

1

My app broke for Team 1...

10:33

I can't reload it...

Team 2 hasn't pinned any location. Should we ask them if it's intentional or not?

Yeah

Fahmi Sack

My app broke for Team 1...

Does anyone else have an issue with the Team 1 App??

Seems to work fine for me

That's annoying.

10:38

Works on edge, not on Chrome for me...

10:39

Now not at all...

Working for me on edge

Ok, got it working again

anyone have any thoughts about doing a mid-game points announcement in the break? There are a fair number of bonuses, it might be worthwhile to do an "if the game ended now" round up so they don't just get dropped out of nowhere on the teams at the end

1

Sounds good, if we can work them out

Was thinking of something like that

10:47

Or should we announce winning points/locations as they happen?

For "Longest Consecutive Train Journey Claimed", can you do some zigzagging to make it really long?

As far as I recall branching off doesn't count for longest consecutive train journey, but I don't see why zigzagging wouldn't

10:49

Like the longest consecutive journey is however long the longest single branch of the network is

I don't know what's meant by zigzagging?

MediocreLogarithm257

For "Longest Consecutive Train Journey Claimed", can you do some zigzagging to make it really long?

I'm thinking the best way to do that would be to count minutes on transport for a single journey with transfers, minus waiting time

10:50

time between getting into the station and boarding a train and getting off the train for the last time before leaving the station

That does not count to the 15 minutes.

10:51

BEcause some stations take you like 5 minutes to get to the platform

Fahmi Sack

I don't know what's meant by zigzagging?

Something like Hammersmith (H&C)-Edgware Road-South Kensington-Green Park-Baker Street-Embankment

MediocreLogarithm257

Something like Hammersmith (H&C)-Edgware Road-South Kensington-Green Park-Baker Street-Embankment

I don't see why not, doing that would take a lot of time and a lot of tickets

10:53

I assume

MediocreLogarithm257

Something like Hammersmith (H&C)-Edgware Road-South Kensington-Green Park-Baker Street-Embankment

As long as a train is not taken from Edgeware Rd to Baker St directly, I would say that will be considered as the longest.

Okay

By the way, is team 1 claiming Emirates and it not being recorded in the app an app oversight?

It is recorded..

sure, but if there are locations that are claimable but not on the app is that likely to cause any problems?

10:56

like, do team 2 have all the info they need about all the locations?

There's the locations map, and the name of the location

10:58

The locations map should be enough, but we don't have an address for the locations

Map?

MediocreLogarithm257

TTR London Bonus Locations: https://maps.app.goo.gl/tK9phvif362ikENb8?g_st=ic At the start of the game, each team will draw half of the locations in this map.

.

Also posted in #game-announcements

Wait so what do bonus locations give?

Points

They give points if there's a route connected to them

I thought we're determining winner by the largest consecutive train network?

Wait, only if there's a route connected? I thought they have to physically visit there

They need to physically visit too

Fahmi Sack

I thought we're determining winner by the largest consecutive train network?

I believe this grants points but does not determine the winner

Lusamine

Wait, only if there's a route connected? I thought they have to physically visit there

Yes they have to physically be there to claim the location

1

11:03

Tactically, you could not claim the location, and go on to build a longer network

1

11:05

Weather's looking nice down there

it does, I'm jealous

11:05

it's miserable in Scotland

I'm the last to complain, I'd argue I have better weather?

11:10

Is that sandwich bonus point awardable?

The bonus points are only for bragging rights

11:10

Unless you want to award them

no random bonus points

11:11

wasn't in the challenge rules

Ok

11:12

I'm not seeing the sandwich challenge???

11:12

Nvm

What's GAOBE?

11:17

I can't count it since I'm unsure if it's a word or not

I don't think I can award Gaobe

11:19

Unless there's a solution proof somewhere

Same

seems a bit mean to make them redo it though

There's a lot of other puzzles

11:20

We'd even count the sudoku since its in the newspaper

switch to a ❌ then?

There are other puzzles (including another of the same type) in that newspaper (edited)

I think so, a google search on my end turned negative for Gaobe

what do

11:28

what

11:28

what do i do

hey

11:30

get all the important browser windows open, confirm challenges (check here if it's anything not completely uncontroversial), and we're logging journeys as well

11:31

very very minor nitpick but I think team 2 get an extra two minutes journey time in the bank

what's the all important thing

that's a 25 minute journey

Agreed

Sure

11:32

Feel free to add extra columns to the spreadsheet if needed

So that means they have 5 minutes unused right, meaning 5 minutes in the bank?

1

yeah

But these 5 minutes can only be used on that section, or across the network they accumulate?

So this claim also excludes the other team from the following claims: Circle Line between Bayswater and High St Kensington Overground between Gunnersbury and Kew Gardens Piccadilly Line between Turnham Green (practically Acton Town) and Earl's Court?

Fahmi Sack

But these 5 minutes can only be used on that section, or across the network they accumulate?

the annoying thing about these draft rules is that the bulk of them were copy pasted from my initial draft which explicitly didn't include this rule, but the minute bank was added later anyway

11:39

but without amending the old draft

"That is, the other team cannot ride on the given line only between stations A and B that the other team has claimed." My understanding is that only the District line is claimed.

That would make it easier to track, especially with National Rail

My understanding is that the shared route between Bayswater and Kew was claimed

11:41

so not specifically the District or Circle lines

I'm not sure which rules are in use right now, since there are many versions

Same

11:41

okay

Like... from Euston to Baker Street.. It wouldn't be fair if they're allowed to use Met to claim the entire thing and block H&C/Circle on the other teams (edited)

11:43

They could do it twice or thrice, and then block it off, sure

Seems like the two teams went to opposite directions

I think team 2's strategy is to collect train cards and run west, and team 1 is trying to hop between locations on their way north

I'm confused why Team 1 haven't got any trains by now

11:47

Also...

11:47

Team 1 have used 5 busses, but only 4 tickets???

Didn't notice it when it happened

‍♂️ (edited)

honestly I'd give them this

1

11:49

team 2

Agree

it's drinking water and it's a public device

I'd say it's fine as long as the water is supposed to be drunk (edited)

the puzzle looks good to me

Yep

Same (needed to check alibi since I didn't know that word) (edited)

I needed to check tacit

11:54

How's weeb at 84% after so long...

Fahmi Sack

It is recorded..

is there a document for the location claims? Might be a good idea to log them in a tab on the claims spreadsheet if not

I'm still confused as to what the point of locations are, if we're measuring the network?

There's the website, but we can put it in the spreadsheet if you prefer

Fahmi Sack

I'm still confused as to what the point of locations are, if we're measuring the network?

they give points

Also, am I ok to have lunch in about 30 minutes?

Team 1 are currently leading in points 5-1

Fahmi Sack

Also, am I ok to have lunch in about 30 minutes?

sure

ratt

Team 1 are currently leading in points 5-1

Kew will swing it back though

ratt

Team 1 are currently leading in points 5-1

But Team 2 lead because they're the only ones that have used trains

End of game bonuses: 
Returning to start location: 1st: 5 points 2nd: 2 points
Longest consecutive train journey claimed = 6 points. Longest consecutive journey is determined by number of station modes on the longest individual branch of a teams network. Shorter branches do not count towards the total. Potentially only counting train network?
Largest Train Network: (Most Stations claimed): 4 Points
Largest bus network claimed (Most Bus routes) = 2 Points? 
Complete the whole of route SL7 = 1 point

tbh 6 points is an insane bonus, and it's very likely to stack with the largest train network bonus as well

I think 6 points is a bit much too

12:01

Considering there's a chance players only score in the 20's without bonuses

I don't actually understand the difference between the longest consecutive journey and largest train network bonuses (edited)

ratt

End of game bonuses: 
Returning to start location: 1st: 5 points 2nd: 2 points
Longest consecutive train journey claimed = 6 points. Longest consecutive journey is determined by number of station modes on the longest individual branch of a teams network. Shorter branches do not count towards the total. Potentially only counting train network?
Largest Train Network: (Most Stations claimed): 4 Points
Largest bus network claimed (Most Bus routes) = 2 Points? 
Complete the whole of route SL7 = 1 point

tbh 6 points is an insane bonus, and it's very likely to stack with the largest train network bonus as well

It used to be 8

what are station modes and what makes them different from stations claimed?

I think it's most stations overall (for largest train network) and most stations in the longest branch (longest consecutive journey) (edited)

so is the former just number of stations passed?

But it seems like 3 of the bonuses reward farming routes

so T2 would have 11 stations on their claimed section of route

Team 2 should have 12 for longest branch and total stations (edited)

you're right I miscounted

Good that I have a Travelling Turtle video to watch in the background

I'm imagining T2's journey for the second bonus would only count as one or two claimed stations

12:08

since they boarded a train with a ticket from two stations

12:08

or 1, from Bayswater

Food's arrived early, so I'll take an early break (edited)

Should we make the hour/half-hour break a poll?

Sure

12:32

Should we log the challenge and location claims manually too? (edited)

Or how about this:

12:35

Both teams get a free break until 45, after that any time used is taken from their 1h allowance

I think that's a little out of the spirit of it being a mandatory enforced rest period if teams can metagame it

1

I'm not a huge fan of that since you can have players take breaks while waiting for a bus/train

Ok

Almost time for dinner for me. Will need to go soon

Do we let players combine their rest periods into one now we're appearently doing two rest periods?

12:41

or enforce that they're separate

I'd allow combining into a long one

MediocreLogarithm257

Almost time for dinner for me. Will need to go soon

I'm nearly done with lunch so I won't take much longer

MediocreLogarithm257

I'd allow combining into a long one

agree

Looks good

Yep

Time for dinner now

Where are you that its dinner time tho

If we're sticking to the current bonus rules, the scores are 7-15 in favour of Team 2

I'm back

Not much has really happened

Resources for any helpdeskers dropping in for the afternoon T1 location: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6458465,-0.0396142,11687m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!7m4!1m2!1s101493616666385249760!2sChZrVXV0RU5IYzgxa1VwVW1JbkJxN3RnEggHBh_cTe7FqA%3D%3D!2e2?hl=en&entry=ttu T1 App: https://jetlaguk.pages.dev/?team=agzppsrtze T2 Location: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4772049,-0.2862001,169m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!7m4!1m2!1s108546621663825821062!2sChYtc181SDlubDdBR2RadDk3eFhybEVnEggHBh_R3eEgXg%3D%3D!2e2?hl=en&entry=ttu T2 App: https://jetlaguk.pages.dev/?team=peooeyojsl Route claim spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CKrC7yqTFyD9uFsSp1n7Kpi9C0kfmPIcSCCtvApsX2c/edit?gid=638236212#gid=638236212 Claimable locations with points: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1_7B0leY1NdAUqWR171k866quYB2Gc9E&g_ep=CAISDTYuMTI3LjIuNzgxOTAYACDdYipsLDk0MjMzMjAxLDk0MjI0ODI1LDk0MjI3MjQ3LDk0MjI3MjQ4LDQ3MDcxNzA0LDQ3MDY5NTA4LDk0MjE4NjQxLDk0MjMzMDc5LDk0MjAzMDE5LDQ3MDg0MzA0LDk0MjA4NDU4LDk0MjA4NDQ3QgJNTw%3D%3D&g_st=ic&ll=51.53454294806671%2C-0.06891066542179747&z=11 Rules for reference: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r1-CBhBrNGs9ePRGNF8Hp4ANfINrYnaWiQUlLXdEtBw/edit

ratt

End of game bonuses: 
Returning to start location: 1st: 5 points 2nd: 2 points
Longest consecutive train journey claimed = 6 points. Longest consecutive journey is determined by number of station modes on the longest individual branch of a teams network. Shorter branches do not count towards the total. Potentially only counting train network?
Largest Train Network: (Most Stations claimed): 4 Points
Largest bus network claimed (Most Bus routes) = 2 Points? 
Complete the whole of route SL7 = 1 point

tbh 6 points is an insane bonus, and it's very likely to stack with the largest train network bonus as well

I also think that these point bonuses are way too much, but if we're sticking with them it might be an idea to at least remind the players about them

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13:16

they will likely swing the game

Yeah

I still don't really get the Largest Train Network: (Most Stations claimed) one

13:21

@MediocreLogarithm257 what was the green street thing for?

A bonus location

13:23

Really need to remember to announce it for route claims

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yeah, sorry

I keep forgetting about it

And the spreadsheet

ratt

I still don't really get the Largest Train Network: (Most Stations claimed) one

If this is interpreted how I imagine it it would be horribly abusable by getting on and off the train

13:26

otherwise I don't see it being anything other than a carbon copy of the other bonus

Now that I think of it, it sounds abusable

13:27

With players just taking trains indefinitely

13:27

I'm just not sure about removing it at this point

yeah...

Yeah I see how its abuseable.

It's still unclear though

13:28

does 'claiming' a station mean boarding a train at that station?

13:28

what about transfers?

13:28

does it only mark the beginning of a journey?

ratt

does 'claiming' a station mean boarding a train at that station?

I don't think so

Transfers count becasue that's a start and end point of a ticket right?

Not necessarily

13:29

because you can combine tickets

13:29

T2 did

13:29

the second train was a 16 minute journey

Yeal so Earls Court counts to their station count (edited)

13:31

They've got Bayswater, Earls Court and Kew Gardens

but that doesn't really make sense, are we rewarding them for transfers?

I've just realised longest consecutive journey can be considered as number of transfers

13:32

That doesn't make much sense, especially since we allow transfers for tickets

What's with this branching thing??

they didn't need to use branching as a word

13:39

but they're transferring from the bus to the train

Ah

But by the rules you can go to any claimed section of route and head out from there

13:41

so they could backtrack all the way back along their already claimed bus routes and claimed train routes and head from Kings Cross again without needing a ticket

13:41

as long as they don't travel on any bits of route they haven't already claimed

So from Stratford to KGX they take the Greater Anglia back to Brimsdown and the bus to KGX without a ticket?

By my understanding of the rules, yeah

Ok

13:43

So Team 1 can use the District line for free all the way to Bayswater

13:44

But that's so abuseable. If they get off at every stop between along the route those bonus points are far too powerful

that's what I've been saying, yeah

13:46

even if that rule wasn't in place though they could still do it on the tickets they had

13:46

since the time is only used when you're on the train

13:47

not while waiting for a train

I just thought it was number of stations on the longest branch at first, but realised it could also mean this

13:47

But that's still abusable

So one of them has to go

I think one of the train ones needs to go

I can see the point of having a bonus for the number of stations on the longest branch, it was in the original TTR board game

13:48

but yeah, anything that's rewarding stopping at lots of places is silly

https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1271772712217346189/1274349139089686578 Is an 11 minute walk according to Google Maps acceptable?

there is a bus

I thought so

it's an irregular one

There is a bus, but it is the closest train station

these rules need to be refined if we do this again

Sounds silly to require a bus, but that's what the rules say

I tend to agree. The fact there's a bus stop within the 10 minute walking distance means that you should be using that bus stop

Yeah.

So if they get off at Acton Town, and take one of the busses at that bus stop, then I'm happy to award it

I don't see a bus they can take yet

MediocreLogarithm257

I don't see a bus they can take yet

True

I can't confirm if that bus exists or not

MediocreLogarithm257

I can't confirm if that bus exists or not

The bus exists, but it doesn't run for this game it seems

MediocreLogarithm257

I think one of the train ones needs to go

reckon it's worth bringing Weeb in to debate this?

MediocreLogarithm257

I can't confirm if that bus exists or not

So not count it as a bus station that's closer?

Hold on..

14:05

There is a bus....

I'm unable to confirm if the E3 actually stops there or not

the bus is fine

14:07

google maps just doesn't show it because it's faster to walk

14:07

https://traintimes.org.uk/map/london-buses/#E3

14:07

the route from Acton Town station to the closer bus stop is definitely there

MediocreLogarithm257

I'm unable to confirm if the E3 actually stops there or not

https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/timetable/e3?SelectedDate=saturday&LineId=e3&Mode=bus&fromId=490007602W&direction=

E3 bus timetable

Timetable for E3 bus in London.

I clicked onto the bus stops of E3 on Google Maps and it doesn't show any

According to TfL the E3 is running

Although it seems like they aren't doing it right now

Well, its a question they asked, and we'd need to answer

we need to deal with the battle challenge

Yeah the E3 can wait

we kinda need to just make up rules on the spot here

14:14

can battle challenges force people off transit?

14:14

that doesn't seem fair

Well the battle is the most busses pictured within 5 minutes

ratt

that doesn't seem fair

Indeed

14:14

We will confirm if they want to start the battle in (upto) 30 minutes

14:16

If we tell them the battle starts at 12:30 that's enough time for both to prepare to send as many photos in 5 minutes by 12:35 (edited)

When does their Heathrow train arrive?

I think we just send the question back to team 1 once team 2 depart the train (edited)

Sure

if they're on transit wait for them to get off and send it back to team 2, ect, ect.

Okay

Ok

14:19

Would we count this then: https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1273027719583760496/1274353377651855371

We'll count that if they're there and take such a picture during the battle

Take backs allowed?

probably doesn't matter since the challenge was in limbo anyway

I'd say so since they didn't know they would have to wait for Team 2

Back to E3

14:22

I can see on the TfL planner that its running.

14:23

https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?InputFrom=Chiswick+Rail+Station&FromId=1001065&InputTo=73+Gunnersbury+Avenue%2C+London%2C+UK&To=73+Gunnersbury+Avenue%2C+London%2C+UK&ToId=51.503135681152344%2C-0.28920701146125793

Journey results

It's fine on the TfL planner, but not on Google Maps. But for some reason it's fine for the other direction (towards Chiswick)

However, TfL planner says the walk from the tube station to DPRK is indeed 10 minutes https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?JpType=publictransport&InputFrom=Acton+Town+Underground+Station&From=Acton+Town+Underground+Station&FromId=1000002&InputTo=73+Gunnersbury+Avenue%2C+London%2C+UK&To=73+Gunnersbury+Avenue%2C+London%2C+UK&ToId=51.503135681152344%2C-0.28920701146125793&Via=

Journey results

What was the claim that Team 1 was talking about?

god I wish the rules were written better

At this point we're making up the rules

I don't see a rule requiring them to only use routes they've claimed, just one that says you can't use routes claimed by another team

ratt

god I wish the rules were written better

I'm removing the Brimsdown - Stratford journey from Team 1

Why? They made that journey

So technically they're allowed to take the Tube back to KGX and then start again (edited)

Teams may travel completely unrestricted outside their ticketed journeys for challenges, but since they have to branch off the existing ticketed route they've created to make any progress in the game, travelling far for challenges is potentially unproductive. To claim their transfer branch off from their claimed line, they must verify with a photo of both your starting station/stop and your finishing station/stop. The station/stop you're transfering to must be within 10 mins walking time from your nearest claimed station. It can be a combination of both station and stop. They may not have to return after branching off as long as there's a direct route/line that takes you to within 10 mins from another section you've claimed. They also have a time limit of 1.5 hours to complete the journey in which by then, any section not yet completed will be left unclaimed.

14:32

that is not written in an easy to understand way

14:33

but the unbroken network links KGX to the locations

Yes

they're travelling for challenges and will rejoin the ticketed network later

I am mega confused

They need the Brimsdown - Stratford train claim to claim Olympic Park

olympic park isn't a location

14:34

it was a challenge to claim a ticket

Actually, the Olympic rings in the Park are, but not the Park itself (edited)

Which means they're allowed to clam the challenge of vitising an olympic venue, without using any tickets, but in order to start building the network they need to get back to a point on their network?

14:36

But while in the olympic venue they can't claim the olympic rings locaiton?

essentially, yes

Since the rings are more than a 10 minute walk away from Stratford, they can't claim it (edited)

I don't know why this rule needed to be so long or why team 1 decided to do it like this

There was also a version when they could walk any distance for claims only (edited)

14:39

But since we've done 10 minutes for claims too, we should just stick with it

What rules are we playing with here?

10 minutes for claims too, since that's what we've been using so far

Thought so, otherwise this DPRK thing wouldn't have been an issue

Stratford Train Station isn't close enough to the point I placed, unless they can confirm the Olympic Rings are not in the same location as the one marked (edited)

There's a bus stop within 10 minutes walk that goes to Stratford station, so if they get that bus its fine

Okay

14:49

Does that go from Stratford station?

To and from, so if that bus line also connects with an existing bus line they have claimed, they can then claim the location

Okay

do we waive the misunderstanding and let them retroactively claim the route they travelled?

14:50

I'm happy to do that

I'm good with it

So what did we misunderstand. or who misunderstood what?

14:55

Can someone please debrief me on what the situation is with the Olympic park??

I only knew it made Team 1 unclaim the train to Stratford

there is going to be such a big argument about the rules later, I can tell

14:57

team 2 are ticketing all their journeys

14:57

team 1 travelled without a ticket along the train line, not claiming it as part of their network

I agree and understand they can unclaim the train to Stratford because the challenge is to visit an olympic venue. Are they now trying to clain the Olympic rings? If so, they do not have any bus stops or stations within a 10 minute walking disctance they can use to make that claim

Team 1 are retroactively claiming a bus route

14:58

the bus route crosses over with another bus route they've claimed (edited)

14:58

so theoretically and debatably it can be considered to be connected to KGX

ratt

the bus route crosses over with another bus route they've claimed (edited)

Which?

I'm assuming the 388 is within a 10 minute walk of the rings

The 388 is

ratt

I'm assuming the 388 is within a 10 minute walk of the rings

It is

15:00

So are they unclaiming the Stratford train?

the 17 shares a stop with the 388

1

15:00

at London Bridge

Ok.

Fahmi Sack

So are they unclaiming the Stratford train?

and yeah, I guess

I forgot to check if the 388 connects to a pre-existing route (it does) (edited)

15:07

So we still have the issue of E3 and the train bonuses

15:08

So let them see if there's any E3, and if there's none, allow the 11 minute walk?

MediocreLogarithm257

So let them see if there's any E3, and if there's none, allow the 11 minute walk?

If they go to Acton Town, and prove that E3 doesn't exist on a DMI or departure board, we can award the DRPK using Acton Town station.

1

15:10

So long as they actually go to the embassy itself

E3 does exist

15:11

bus in red

Okay

15:11

Then let them know about that

stop close to the station on the right, stop within 10 minutes of the embassy on the left

Fahmi Sack

However, TfL planner says the walk from the tube station to DPRK is indeed 10 minutes https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?JpType=publictransport&InputFrom=Acton+Town+Underground+Station&From=Acton+Town+Underground+Station&FromId=1000002&InputTo=73+Gunnersbury+Avenue%2C+London%2C+UK&To=73+Gunnersbury+Avenue%2C+London%2C+UK&ToId=51.503135681152344%2C-0.28920701146125793&Via=

Look like it's exactly this itinerary

15:12

But the TfL journey planner claims it to be a 10 minute walk

15:13

So is there now a debate on whether we can just automatically award it, given there's some evidence of a 10 minute walk?

15:13

And they actually go to the Embassy

if we allow that there's a whole can of worms to be opened about the Olympic rings again

How?

15:15

The Olympic Rings very clearly had a bus stop within 10 minutes walk, with an active bus route

15:16

It was a matter of them connecting that route to their current network

Team 1 got to the embassy by walking out of distance away from their route, and we made them claim a bus to link it back up again

They didn't go to the Embassy

15:17

They're asking if they could claim the embassy because of an 11 minute walk

Fahmi Sack

And they actually go to the Embassy

sorry, I misread

15:17

I thought you meant they did

They'd still have to go there to claim it obviously

yeah

Where even is that message now? Have they deleted it?

15:19

nvm (edited)

15:23

Couldn't Team 1 use from their time bank??

15:23

Oh wait they unclaimed the Stratford leg so they don't have any

I've just realised Team 1 didn't go all the way to the extreme point

yeah, odd

This is gonna me a messy defrief at 6pm

That's a strategy choice, so no comment to them until after the game ends

Team 2 have pinned a Battle

15:30

So we should expect a battle coming up soon

Can we accept Stratford DLR to be a terminus?

15:38

Not Stratford International

It mentioned Underground Line

technically I think it counts as a terminus

It's the terminus of Jubilee Line

that's mean

15:39

but I'll go with that

It says photo of a terminus station, but didn't mention you have to be on that platform

What do the rules say though

So we can rule it either way (in terms of whether they have to be on that platform) (edited)

As far as TfL are concerned, ticketing wise, it counts as a terminus

MediocreLogarithm257

So we can rule it either way (in terms of whether they have to be on that platform) (edited)

it says station

15:41

we could give it to them

Okay

Correct

15:42

But why did Team 2 not claim T5 as a terminus?? Missed opportunity that

That was a missed opportunity

15:44

Also they could claim Heathrow as a WW2 defence point

I don't think its 11 minutes?

15:47

The bit between Chiswick and Turnham is already owned by them going to Kew Gardens?

Fahmi Sack

The bit between Chiswick and Turnham is already owned by them going to Kew Gardens?

the branch line was claimed, the one they're coming from isn't

15:48

any journeys from Turnham along the District line don't need a ticket though

Ah ok

15:51

I fell like sending this into #team-2-verification : Note: You now have 16 minutes in the bank. These may only be used in conjunction with another ticket, or in an emergency approved by helpdesk (edited)

I would only include emergency

15:54

Which is unlikely, but will say anyway

I think the intention was for the minutes bank to be able to be used in conjunction with a ticket like Fahmi said

Yeah otherwise the point of having a time bank makes no sense (edited)

Okay

Draft for #game-announcements : Due to a part closure and severe disruption of the Jubilee line between London Bridge and Canary Wharf, tickets intended for use along the entire line may be used by any reasonable route even if claimed by the other team, as long as the scheduled travel time does not exceed your allowances. (edited)

https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1271772624392945737/1274382128062398545 I would say the break must be at least 30 minutes

MediocreLogarithm257

https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1271772624392945737/1274382128062398545 I would say the break must be at least 30 minutes

Agreed.

they do have a point about taking 2 extra minutes on the first break

Fahmi Sack

Draft for #game-announcements : Due to a part closure and severe disruption of the Jubilee line between London Bridge and Canary Wharf, tickets intended for use along the entire line may be used by any reasonable route even if claimed by the other team, as long as the scheduled travel time does not exceed your allowances. (edited)

Looks good

I agree from a super strict rules viewpoint

MediocreLogarithm257

Looks good

slightly edited since your reply

but I wouldn't mind if it was slightly waived in this instance

16:01

up to you guys

Fahmi Sack

slightly edited since your reply

Looks good, and the reasonable route can be used to claim Jubilee Line in that section

Fahmi Sack

Draft for #game-announcements : Due to a part closure and severe disruption of the Jubilee line between London Bridge and Canary Wharf, tickets intended for use along the entire line may be used by any reasonable route even if claimed by the other team, as long as the scheduled travel time does not exceed your allowances. (edited)

is there a need for this? We're going by scheduled times, not times affected by delays

ratt

is there a need for this? We're going by scheduled times, not times affected by delays

To relieve the restriction of using opponents lines

I need to go for a bit

Okay

ratt

but I wouldn't mind if it was slightly waived in this instance

I think asking for less than 5 minutes leeway is acceptable

Fahmi Sack

I think asking for less than 5 minutes leeway is acceptable

they want a 28 minute break and they had a 32 minute one before

Yeah then I'm happy to give them that

16:05

It sums to the minimum 1 hour break we intended in the very beginning (edited)

16:06

I think they can claim to start the break at 15:58 which is when they first asked

Need to take a shower now. Will be back soon

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Have team 2 taken their second break? (edited)

Neither team has currently

We may need to do a points deduction for not taking a break then

I think the points deduction is going to be not being able to claim the bonus for returning

16:26

because you're implicitly serving your break

16:26

unless you want to deduct more?

Not sure

16:27

If neither team takes a break then its all square anyways

16:27

But if only one does, we need to consider what to do

Team 1 have the break scheduled in by the sounds of it

Yep

16:29

Well there we go

I hope T1 try to go for the eastern extreme point at least

16:31

I can see they're going for Rainham hall for 5 points at least

16:32

but they need an extreme point really as well

16:32

it's not one of the easiest to get to and from though

16:32

the northern extreme point would've been easier

16:33

you've got to get off a village bus and walk across a field to a church, then get back on the bus

Does the game end at 18:10?

yeah

16:46

it looks like T2 might be heading back in to knock out some 1 pointers

I'm back now

Team 1 are on break and team 2 are travelling so it's been quiet for a bit

Now you've said the Q word.

lol

Don't jinx it

I'm going to start trying to calculate points

16:50

if T2 do end up going all around central London I imagine they'll take the bonuses by an incredible margin

How did they get to Barons court?

District Line from Acton Town. They claimed the section after Earl's Court when they went to Kew Gardens

16:54

They could take Piccadilly Line too (edited)

MediocreLogarithm257

They could take Piccadilly Line too (edited)

They can't unless they ticket it

1

So what are we using for the 2 train bonuses?

I already... sort of made a ruling on that in team 1's verification channel

We can go with that

if you disagree that's fine but we should let them know if we're changing it

I'm happy

I agree with the 6 pointer

17:02

But 4 pointer, there's not really a good way to define it without exploits

17:02

So I'm happy to go with any as long as it's consistent (edited)

I can't think of any other good interpretation for the 4 pointer and the only other way I see to deal with it is removing it

17:03

I'm happy to let T1 try and meta themselves into a victory with the written rules, I think they're behind

Sure

I think T2 will win the 6 point bonus easily and they're already ahead with locations

17:04

it might end up close but we'll see

17:04

I'm still calculating it now

Should be fine as long as we tell Team 2 about this ruling (edited)

17:10

Regarding the bonuses: Longest consecutive train journey claimed: The number of stations in the longest branch claimed. This includes a start point, an end point, as well as all the intermediate stops made by the claimed train in between. Largest Train Network: The number of unique start and end points claimed

17:10

Looks good?

oh I was drafting something in announcements already

Oh

Better we draft it here

17:11

Before we send it off to announcements

The others shouldn't have any controversy, right?

I bloody hope not

And if there's a tie for bonuses, neither team gets the points (any way that gives them equal points is equivalent) (edited)

I think if there's a tie, the team with the furthest station away from KGX gets the points

17:15

Just from a glance I thing T2 have it in the bag, but it could be tight

Fahmi Sack

I think if there's a tie, the team with the furthest station away from KGX gets the points

Tie for overall points?

tbh if there's a tie let there be a tie

Either most tickets earned (not necessarily used) or furtherst station from KGX

Although I'm fine to let it be a tie

Here we go.

17:24

Practical example. I think Team 2 have claimed 8 stations, as they used tickets to claim routes between 8 stations.

17:25

Team 2 only have 6 claimed stations

okay I'm properly counting scores now

T2 could have just used 1 ticket... They had 16 minutes in the bank to use

Yeah

17:40

A race to King's Cross

Looks like, I think T1 will make it first

I think it'll be close

17:43

Tower Bridge is too far from Fenchurch Street

17:43

Are we allowing sighting?

MediocreLogarithm257

Are we allowing sighting?

They're neat the towers of london, I don't think that's too far

Okay

17:46

It's a 12 minute walk to get on Tower Bridge itself

17:46

Although with Tower Hill to King's Cross, it can (kind of) be a shorter walk (7 minutes from Tower Hill) (edited)

Almost said you can get signal at Whitechapel

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From Tower Hill to KGX via Aldgate East, are we counting 2 tickets because of 2 trains or just one?

I think 1 ticket since transfers are allowed

17:59

Was there really no Circle Line?

idk

17:59

I'm not on the ground

17:59

I can't tell

18:00

They have 10 minutes to get there

I guess another question to ask after the game ends

18:00

But good luck for them getting there in time

I make the scores pre ending bonus 23 - 30 in favour of team 2

We'll do a final count as soon as the game ends

18:01

And probably announce it when they're in the pub

I was using the spreadsheet

18:01

there's a little bit to discuss there as well

It's 22-20 without any bonus

Ok I don't think T1 will make it to KGX by 1810

MediocreLogarithm257

It's 22-20 without any bonus

I made it 17-20

18:02

locations only

18:02

did I miss something?

T2 made it to KGX.

ratt

did I miss something?

I don't know I've not started counting

Team 1 has 5 for Green Street

oop, forgot about that

T2 get the 5 point bonus for getting back.

Should we tell Team 2 the other team was bluffing?

No.

18:08

Keep the adrenaline to the very last minute

Okay

They might be able to prove they've reached KGX before 1810 through like a DMI so we'll wait on that

1

18:12

Do we give it? They sent it in at 1810.

18:13

Wouldn't make a difference anyway would it?

18:13

T2 would still win

I don't think it does

We'll give it then (edited)

I'll wait till the spreadsheet is done before posting it (and change it to read only)

I probably need some input on the 4 pointer bonus

18:17

are we only counting stations left and entered?

The wordings suggest so

ratt

are we only counting stations left and entered?

Any stations used to claim sections built.

Wait no

T1 would have 8.

18:19

T2 would have 9 (edited)

I think all the start and end points of the train tickets claimed

18:20

Does Aldgate East Count for T1?

18:21

I'd say it counts the same way as Earl's Court for T2

Fahmi Sack

T1 would have 8.

Stratford Int, LCY, West Ham, Rainham, Fenchurch, Aldgate East, Tower Hill, KGX (edited)

Fahmi Sack

T2 would have 9 (edited)

Bayswater, Earls Court, Kew Gardens, Acton Main Line, Ealing Broadway, LHR T5, Turnham Green, BArons Court, KGX

MediocreLogarithm257

I'd say it counts the same way as Earl's Court for T2

I'm not sure actually

T1 do not get the return bonus.

Fahmi Sack

Bayswater, Earls Court, Kew Gardens, Acton Main Line, Ealing Broadway, LHR T5, Turnham Green, BArons Court, KGX

do Earls Court and Ealing Broadway count since it wasn't the end or start of a journey?

Yes because it was used to build onto the network.

I hate the 4 point bonus

18:26

whichever way you slice it it looks like T2 gets it though

Yeah,

unless you want to argue that because T1 had more train announcements expanding the network that they get it

But team 2 used double the tickets.

18:27

Or

18:28

Not that it could matter... add in the banked points on used and unused tickets?

I could see an argument that T1 got Stratford, LCY, West Ham, Rainham, Fenchurch Street, Tower Hill, Aldgate East, and KGX for 8, and T2 got Bayswater, Kew, Acton Main, LHR T5, Ealing Broadway, Turnham Green, Barons Court, and KGX also for 8

ratt

I could see an argument that T1 got Stratford, LCY, West Ham, Rainham, Fenchurch Street, Tower Hill, Aldgate East, and KGX for 8, and T2 got Bayswater, Kew, Acton Main, LHR T5, Ealing Broadway, Turnham Green, Barons Court, and KGX also for 8

Why ealing though?

They claimed Ealing Broadway to Turnham Green on District Line

Fahmi Sack

Why ealing though?

they departed there back onto District

18:32

yeah

Ok, understood

18:32

But T1 used Aldgate East as in interchange, just like T1 did for Earls Court (edited)

18:33

So that should then be excluded?

depends if you count the change from District to H&C as a separate thing

It depends on whether you count changing from District to District as different from District to H&C

I mean we're nitpicking over details tbh, it won't swing it

Yeah

But even so, if we were to award T1 the 4 points instead and T2 none, T2 would still win (edited)

18:35

Let them vote

I still stand by the 4 pointer bonus not making sense

Agreed.

Same

looking back I think Jemma was probably right

18:36

it probably was intended to be total stations across the entire claimed network

The 2 pointer could turn into challenge grinding too

18:36

And same for the 4 pointer

If we give it to T1 just to make it a closer result... because it's about such an insignificant little detail

ratt

I could see an argument that T1 got Stratford, LCY, West Ham, Rainham, Fenchurch Street, Tower Hill, Aldgate East, and KGX for 8, and T2 got Bayswater, Kew, Acton Main, LHR T5, Ealing Broadway, Turnham Green, Barons Court, and KGX also for 8

My interpretation is this one I think

My original interpretation was total stations visited, but I wasn't a fan of it

where are you getting the 9 from for T2?

Fahmi Sack

Bayswater, Earls Court, Kew Gardens, Acton Main Line, Ealing Broadway, LHR T5, Turnham Green, BArons Court, KGX

This one

ah

18:42

so it's about Earls Court

Normally, I only remember seeing train from Bayswater (originates from Edgware Road) to Wimbledon, so the change is required (edited)

Yeah it's not like the trains go direct, in which case I would have conceded to Earls Court counting

It wasn't counted as a section change

18:43

I wouldn't count it

18:43

put them both on 8

I'm ok with that.

Sure

But which 8

No Earl's Court

Draft:

18:45

The game is over, the results are as follows.

18:46

<Team 1> have completed 7 locations, totalling 22 points. <Team 2> have completed 5 locations totalling 20 points. (edited)

18:47

<Team 1> have not arrived on time, scoring no extra points. <Team 2> have arrived first and on time, awarding 5 extra points. (edited)

18:48

<Team 2> have the longest consecutive connection, from LHR T5 to KGX, awarding 6 points.

18:49

<Team 1> and <Team 2> have tied on the horrid 4 pointer, awarding 4 points each.

18:50

<Team 1> have 7 bus routes, two more than <Team 2>. 2 points to <Team 1>

18:51

Therefore, <Team 1> have a total of 28 points, and <Team 2> a total of 35 points.

18:51

We therefore declare

18:51

# <TEAM 2> (edited)

1

18:51

As winners of this game!

that works

oops good thing it was a draft

18:52

I'll send it through

Looks good

I think the spreadsheet is fine to send as well, just make it read-only

Yeah once I've sent it through

Is it read-only now?

yep

The spreadsheet used to record the scores: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CKrC7yqTFyD9uFsSp1n7Kpi9C0kfmPIcSCCtvApsX2c/edit?usp=sharing

TTR London Claims

18:55

I'll send this after the announcement ends

MediocreLogarithm257

I'll send this after the announcement ends

Go for it

19:02

Seems like they've gone to celebrate.

19:02

Good job @Helpdesk !

This went much differently from last game

Very.

19:03

Last game was very tight

19:03

But the Manchester game I think had like a 20 point difference (edited)

Last game was mostly just challenge interpretations that caused lots of issues

Yeah this one was the inverse

And I don't recall any this time

MediocreLogarithm257

And I don't recall any this time

Other than DPRK but that wasn't an issue with the challenge

19:05

And the Rings

19:05

It was more of an issue of the game mechanic

I'm expecting a long debrief from Weeb about the rings

ratt

I'm expecting a long debrief from Weeb about the rings

He's probably reading through this chat right now

he evidently had a different idea about how branching was meant to be interpreted

19:06

I'm still not sure exactly what

19:07

honestly I think allowing them to take a bus that just about linked up a mile or two further down the route at the river was generous, but I didn't want to kill the game right there

I may have allowed a 12-minute walk at some point

19:10

Although it doesn't seem to be used

If they had claimed that train to Stratford instead they may have stolen a couple points off maybe?

19:14

They had the budget

That's still not enough for the 6 pointer

19:16

For the 4 pointer, they would have 1 extra station

Would have made it 28-31

they'd have had 20 for the 6 pointer

19:17

closer but not quite

It's Brimsdown - 5 stations - Stratford - 2 stations - West Ham

19:18

I wonder how the game would've gone with just bonus points for going back to starting point

19:20

But Team 1 got more points from visitng locations than I thought

MediocreLogarithm257

But Team 1 got more points from visitng locations than I thought

Yeah that surprised me

Team 1 could probably have cinched it if they both claimed that train to Stratford and went straight to Kings Cross instead of Tower Bridge

But then they'd lost those Tower Bridge points

Tower Bridge is only 1 point

and the Stratford train would've given them the 4 pointer points

19:26

because they got off at Stratford International and boarded at Stratford

19:26

different stations

19:26

different lines

I’ve had quite a lot of bad experience with Aldgate East to Tower Hill/Liverpool Street. There’s always a random 2 minute delay

it would've probably come down to the stupid 4 pointer

MediocreLogarithm257

I’ve had quite a lot of bad experience with Aldgate East to Tower Hill/Liverpool Street. There’s always a random 2 minute delay

Especially the H&C

ratt

Team 1 could probably have cinched it if they both claimed that train to Stratford and went straight to Kings Cross instead of Tower Bridge

snooping in here - we considered it but the actual distance to tower bridge was underestimated

05:00

if we had known the distance then we would have went straight for KX

05:00

our original plan was actually to try get barbican too

05:00

But we just didn't have the time lol