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JetLag UK and Ireland

Battle for Zone 1 Team Chats / team-heck

hello competition

Aren't we teammates?

You are indeed teammates

We have to go to the adjacent channel to troll the competition

Thanks for giving me the idea of giving teams individual colours

20:19

OK

20:20

You should now be able to tell which team you're on in General chats

General is for you to play mind games with each other

Yeah, and now they can tell which team they're on while doing so

I'd strongly recommend at least one player in this team makes an effort to stay online throughout the course of the game and monitoring #helpdesk-announcements - that way you can keep informed of how the other teams are doing so you can work on strategy in real time

Or share it around between you as to not overstress one battery - just have somebody be on it at all times

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i'll have a battery this time for sure

I will hopefully also bring mine

Good shout

hello friends

02:23

who's ready for a nice. chill. relaxing time.

I'm sure it will be very calm

absolutely

Are we able to talk about team name now?

Sure

18:11

See no reason not to

ok any ideas?

what do we think's gonna be the move out of Oxford Circus then

07:12

I kind of think it's preferable to get as far away from it as possible early on and start claiming stations that don't have any other lines bordering them which is why I think a lot of district/circle stations are good

07:14

The only thing I don't like about this is those tunnels don't have mobile internet

07:15

there's no rules about using buses/boats right?

07:15

just to confirm

07:19

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There's a bus stop directly next to the starting point with decent connections to nearby stations

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Barry Heck

there's no rules about using buses/boats right?

Confirm any scheduled public transport is good

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Tube WiFi is not bad if you can use it

I've never been able to reliably connect to it

Hm, the Monument/Bank area has a fairly high density by aboveground distance if that's any use... also of course any stations on the edge of the zone are potentially unstealable, or at least more easily defensible

09:46

Hm, probably not really unstealable in many cases, most boundary stations have at least two connections within the zone. You can lock Vauxhall...

I'm really tempted to help you guys strategise

I really want to avoid actually using the tube

09:52

being potentially cut off from seeing what the other teams are doing and having to spend time getting in and out of stations to do challenges is imo such a major setback

09:55

There's barely any unstealables at all

10:01

What about national rail stations ie fenchurch street?

Tubes only, there's 67 of them

Tube map or tube stations?

10:54

ie Elizabeth Line / DLR / Overground

Tube stations, though you can use the other modes if you want

In Z1 most of the others (DLR exception) share stations w/tube

Another team owning a station doesn't impact on anyone else using it, right?

11:02

As a station for transport

Mithent

Another team owning a station doesn't impact on anyone else using it, right?

No, you can still use them for transport

11:09

And of course if you want you can battle for it

just to confirm, to start a challenge we need to confirm that we're at the station and we also have to do this once it's been completed?

Yep, to start a challenge you need to take a selfie with all group members in front of the station, then just show the evidence of the challenge being completed

so technically there is nothing to stay we can't start a challenge, go to another station, complete the first challenge and then immediately start the second

its prob gonna be a mad dash to oxf circus in the start

12:43

ngl i dont really have a strat (edited)

12:43

because like adam once said its like 100 layers of game theory

12:45

id say the 3 best unstealable stations are paddington, euston, and Kings X

12:45

paddington can be stolen from district line but itll be quite a time waster

So who's to say we don't go for green park / piccadilly circus and immediately battle for oxf circus straight away

13:13

that's quite a dangerous area tbf

yeah Id say maybe we go north or south and work up to middle

potentially

Barry Heck

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Can someone pin this? me likey

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danke

there's two paddingtons

13:26

Bakerloo/District is one station

13:26

H&C is the other

13:26

ditto two edgware roads

@theorangeone wait you're playing w us?

13:28

so if we claim paddington we dont claim the entire thing?

13:29

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nah, just mandating from the helpdesk

its connected on the map

13:29

ah ok

dabus21

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on the ground it's two stations

13:29

bakerloo/district are behind the same set of barriers at the buffer end of Paddington mainline

13:29

while H&C is behind its own set right up at the throat end of the station

TL:DR - treat it like Edgware Road

hmm ok

13:30

so we get 2 stations like that?

there's a separate challenge for each Paddington

ah i see

when I get home I'll put all the tube tunnels with internet access on a map

there's a tunnel map on the tfl website

not with web access though

13:32

internet access very important

see #game-general for the gameboard, you'll all get a copy of this on the day (edited)

aight cheers

13:34

I personally think green park / piccadilly circus is a really strong opening move

13:34

assuming noone else will go for it and assuming there'll be a mad dash for oxford circus

13:34

which isn't a station I necessarily think claiming straight away is smart because it's so easily contestable

Barry Heck

when I get home I'll put all the tube tunnels with internet access on a map

this?

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oh neat

bit of a tricky map only the green is connected

this is why I think actually using the tube is bad

using it for long periods is probably bad

13:36

honestly even if we plan on going somewhere, we should get off like every 1 stop

13:36

unless we really have to rush

that will take so much time

13:36

also note: use oyster not contactless bank cards

13:36

it's quicker

I kinda wanna avoid my strat from last game, where we bunched our challenges

13:37

that in and of itself slowed us down

13:38

and also made us miss big bens bonging

this is my first game like this y'all will know more than I do

nah the thing that is making it kinda hard to strategize here is that its a new format for all of us

13:39

the game in november we had otaku and people already going in with 1 game before

13:40

only thing I can give advice on is if we need to bunch challenges and really get places

how confident are we that everyone's going to rush for oxford circus

13:42

and not immediately try to get as far away as possible

im pretty confident it's everyones dominant strategy

This may be challenge dependent

true

when will we see the list of challenges

we havent taken the challenges into account

dabus21

nah the thing that is making it kinda hard to strategize here is that its a new format for all of us

this is intentional, it's a new playing field; the aim is for 15 or so people to open the envelopes at 1030ish and immediately descend into panic

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we will record the start like we did last time dw

13:43

true sam style

13:44

also again, no bikes allowed eh?

i am dead set that setting up a battle over oxford circus straight away is a strong move

13:45

not interested in going for oxford circus straight away

13:45

challenge dependant of course

13:45

but it's so easily contestable

yis

13:45

if we do the edge thing I said, we should go either north or east

13:45

nice and close stations

if we make the aggressive play first we immediately have 3

but challenge dependant

green park / bond street or green park / piccadilly circus

like go to bond street and tcr?

they just have to be adjacent don't they

ok i feel we're kinda going too far tho

13:47

cuz we dont know how hard the challenges r

theres 3 options that can force a oxford circus challenge relatively quickly (edited)

13:48

nvm there's not

Barry Heck

they just have to be adjacent don't they

ah i thought it was next to each other, same line

13:48

but adjacent prob actually works better

13:48

so is prob that

13:48

yeh

confirming on adjacent - this means it's a one stop tube journey between them

13:50

e.g. Warren Street is adjacent to Euston

13:50

but not Euston Square, despite them being physically close together

danke schon

13:50

yeah actually good shit

13:50

we should be a lil chaotic

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(maybe challenge dependant ofc)

imo these are the 3 best opening moves

bong street and green park is very doable

13:51

mainly because you can also jog between them

dabus21

bong street and green park is very doable

bong street

would save time in the entry and exit

13:52

i always call it that

13:52

is american of me

Barry Heck

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i see ur plan now

13:53

yes actually im down

TCR / Piccadilly Circus also an option

13:56

10 min walk

mhm

that's 4 good options off the bat it just depends which has the easier challenges

officially challenge dependant

I don't think there'll be enough time to judge that though

13:58

when do we see all the challenges

13:58

when the game starts?

13:58

that's where this differs quite a bit from jtlg we're not the game designers

Barry Heck

when the game starts?

indeed

scary

1030 on the dot; I'll be handing out physical envelopes which you can open at that time, and @MajorScafellPike will also post in #helpdesk-announcements

theorangeone

indeed

any bribes?

pfft

I mean, good luck posting bribes to me

dabus21

any bribes?

no amount of money is worth the look of absolute panic on your faces when you see the list for the first time

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@theorangeone make sure to send me a picture

14:01

XD

yall evil lmao

dabus21

yall evil lmao

that's why I'm a game designer

when I get home I'll do some more research on the adjacent stations to oxford circus

14:21

*also another reason for not wanting to use the tube, bad position for battle challenges (edited)

14:22

not having internet at any moment is so so so bad

however in circumstances where we do need to use the tube I have purchased this fantastic app which informs you what door on the train is closest to the exit at each station

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oooo

bond street is a 7 minute walk from the starting location

14:47

tottenham court road 9 minute walk

14:53

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14:54

though in the case of warren street - oxford circus it obv makes more sense to use the tube

14:54

and green park - oxford circus

I guess the initial choice is whether to contest the middle or to go to somewhere less busy and build a block

we can get to victoria rather quickly and then rush district line

14:57

all those stations are rather dense

14:57

when i was first thinking about it i did think that'd be the best move

14:58

there's so many stations and a lot of them only have connections to other district/circle line stations (edited)

14:59

so they are rather safe

15:02

thinking about it i'm not certain oxford circus will be the big rush i thought

15:04

though i have a feeling the safer stations like that would've been thought about and have harder challenges

15:04

it's just impossible to know until we open that envelope

15:05

i don't think there'll be enough time to think about a route before we go for one ideally we just want to go

15:09

i'm almost certain that those incredibly safe stations will have stupid challenges

what is the time taken between initiating a battle and officially starting it?

16:09

in s4 it was 30 mins

we'll give three to five minutes (since this is a smaller and shorter game with a higher pace) from when both teams are able to confirm they are not on a train; that gives enough time for any team that's underground to reach the surface

ah oki

theorangeone

no amount of money is worth the look of absolute panic on your faces when you see the list for the first time

I absolutely cannot wait to see peoples faces

Barry Heck

so technically there is nothing to stay we can't start a challenge, go to another station, complete the first challenge and then immediately start the second

No, there isn't; however if you send a group photo outside a second station without staking a claim on the first though, we will read that as you having forfeited your attempt on the first challenge The reason the challenges are hidden ahead of time is most of them are location specific, though; they were designed to be doable in the vicinity of the station in question and as such going to another station is unlikely to help you much

wait we wont know the challenges until we send you a photo outside?

No, as in you won't know until 1030

No, you'll know the challenges after the start of the game

ah

19:45

man i read that and I was like shiiit

but just saying they are specific to location so doing the challenge elsewhere won't be fun

dabus21

wait we wont know the challenges until we send you a photo outside?

tbf this is how they do it on the show

depends on the game's mechanics though

theorangeone

tbf this is how they do it on the show

they also design the challenges so they know what they are

20:07

biggest difference imo

20:07

interesting tho

20:07

I kinda like

Yeah, it's often an impediment they have to work around on the show really

I have high hopes for this

good morning friends

Morning

I guess it's the afternoon now

yesssss

Hello! I am so sorry I have not been on discord in a while

21:31

Is it important for me to read up! I will absolutely make sure I keep up to date from now on

#helpdesk-announcements might be useful, there's also a bunch of strategy discussion in here

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21:33

from your team

dabus21

this?

Might be good to add which stations are above ground to this as obviously they should have signal too?

21:39

Is it worth us doing quick intros and if we have any random skills people should know about for challenges? (I say that like I have any... I'm really hoping I can come in useful at least!)

yeah mainly the north part of H&C from moorgate to paddington

21:50

thats just an addition

21:51

my random skill will be i will bring a power bank

I can check the district line on my way into work tomorrow too - I can cover Victoria to Earl's court for sure

ah that bit should be above ground too

Exactly yeah

ik kensington and stuff

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21:53

i do think its outside our area actually

21:54

lmao

I think it's mostly safe to assume that non-central areas of the sub-surface lines are usually surfaced

Fair

Deep level lines...assume they aren't above ground

dabus21

i do think its outside our area actually

wait no im wrong

Board goes as west as Earl's Court

yes

21:54

just looked at a map

Yeah I actually continue even further west on my way into work haha

north and south is my strong suit

I can also change to northern line south or the Victoria line south from Victoria if it would be useful for me to check anything but they definitely don't have signal

nah northern is under

21:57

I take it to brent cross from waterloo from time to time

21:57

doesnt come up until golders green

Or Highgate, going the other way

21:58

Well, whatever "north of Highgate" is

21:58

It surfaces after Highgate

Wasn't sure if there was any suspected challenges I could take a sneak peak at info for

ngl we might be worrying to much about staying connected, any opinion on this?@MajorScafellPike

Hahaha, nope

cuz if we get challenged we have to be ready anyway

dabus21

ngl we might be worrying to much about staying connected, any opinion on this?@MajorScafellPike

To be frank, Z1 is compact enough that most of the time you will be on the surface anyway

yeah and if we're challenged we have to know

We're working out how declaring battles work when one team is underground and unresponsive

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yeah that is a worry of mine

22:00

cuz time is of the essence in this

22:00

especially in the start

MajorScafellPike

We're working out how declaring battles work when one team is underground and unresponsive

@theorangeone did we come to a consensus on this, actually?

Can you check delivery receipt? And time starts from then? So do it async or something

22:01

I suppose the battle result makes too much of a difference on strategy though hmm never mind

AliW

Can you check delivery receipt? And time starts from then? So do it async or something

At the moment "confirmation of reception" means "one of you lot has replied"

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22:02

In short

dabus21

ngl we might be worrying to much about staying connected, any opinion on this?@MajorScafellPike

if one of you can reliably connect to tube station wifi that will help a lot

dabus21

cuz if we get challenged we have to be ready anyway

we won't start the battle challenge prep countdown until both teams have confirmed a response

MajorScafellPike

To be frank, Z1 is compact enough that most of the time you will be on the surface anyway

yes this

ive never had tube station wifi that is reliable

MajorScafellPike

At the moment "confirmation of reception" means "one of you lot has replied"

yes this

I'm a cheapskate on tesco mobile unfortunately

im gonna take some pens aswell to note who has which station

I'll keep a map updated in the helpdesk announcements

ah ok

22:04

might aswell still

Yeah, definitely bring a pen

AliW

I'm a cheapskate on tesco mobile unfortunately

I think you might still be able to connect to tube wifi via Wifi Extra? Looking for details on that

dabus21

im gonna take some pens aswell to note who has which station

you'll be given a map on the day (same one as in #game-general) which you should feel free to annotate

theorangeone

I think you might still be able to connect to tube wifi via Wifi Extra? Looking for details on that

I'll double check tomorrow but I think I don't see the option

theorangeone

you'll be given a map on the day (same one as in #game-general) which you should feel free to annotate

ok thx

theorangeone

you'll be given a map on the day (same one as in #game-general) which you should feel free to annotate

And again, I'll post map updates either in #game-general or in #helpdesk-announcements

22:10

Whenever someone claims a thing

22:10

Might as well take charge of that

roger doger

Gives me something to do, anyway xD

yes keep busy

oh btw im vegetarian

I don't believe there's anything that mandates meat eating dw

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23:13

there's two challenges I can think of off the top of my head where it is possible to eat meat but it is very possible to also not do that

Let’s also discuss our team name

Any theme you're thinking of?

I am unfortunately terrible with name ideas, though I definitely approve of deciding in advance

theorangeone

I think you might still be able to connect to tube wifi via Wifi Extra? Looking for details on that

Checked a few stations on my way in this mornings and never saw the option unfortunately, this has been my experience in the past too

Signal wise Victoria - no signal on Victoria line platform, patchy signal on district line platform Sloane Square - in theory signal but I wasn't able to load anything Between Sloane Square and south Ken a few tunnels so signal kept cutting out South Ken - great signal South Ken to Gloucester road - again completely lost signal when going through tunnels Gloucester road - great signal Gloucester road to Earl's court - no signal loss Earls court - only H+ rather than 5G signal oddly, but signal fine

Hmmm

09:16

OK

Eh map this?

11:26

For team name last time we just acronymed all our names

I think Geoff Marshall has a "how much of the Tube is Underground map"

11:27

That should be a pretty decent benchmark

Will look that up

personally i think potentially losing internet underground in exchange for faster movement around sounds fun but it might not to everyone else

21:32

...honestly i thought that was actually intentional

I mean

22:20

It'll be a format quirk now

It's more a disadvantage than anything else for this one? There are, however, games where it could be a serious strategic element

22:24

(I will, one day, make Bulldog Across London happen; a game where the hunted needs to stay above ground on buses but the hunters could pop out of any tube station without warning...)

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Ah like the AirTag game with Tom Scott and Arun

22:27

Honestly tag across z1 could also be fun

That bulldog game would be hilarious

22:27

Especially to be quite frank, not knowing each other very well

22:27

Imagine the first person is someone who hasn't taken part before and doesn't have a real photo on discord

22:28

Like do you have to get mugshots off everyone first

22:29

Or do you make a rule that the runner has to wear a very distinctive hat passed between players as they're caught

The problem is my original idea for the format was multi day and thus a pain, also the server wants an event or a few outside London first so it would have to be some way into the future

That's fair

also there's no way anyone would trust me to waltz into the group and launch a multi-day bus event right out the gate

AliW

Or do you make a rule that the runner has to wear a very distinctive hat passed between players as they're caught

There have legitimately been suggestions about distinctive hats to distinguish teams for some format, I think...

I feel like it would diminish the effect of disguises

A disguise would be very ineffective with a distinctive hat, yep

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I was thinking it would eliminate the worry that you're interacting with someone not in the game

22:47

And also, double decker buses - top deck hat less visible But, harder to get off quickly as you'd want to come down at the last possible time to risk being seen through the window (edited)

I feel like bustimes.org would be a huge advantage in this game

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I'd also be interested to know how much walking you can do between buses as that would have a major impact on my strategy if I was to play

Oh as much as you want

22:50

It's less a "you must use buses", more a "you can't use trains"

Interesting, there's definitely some areas of London I know better that I could take a sort of home advantage on with that

22:52

Sorry I realise this is very off track now so tell me to shut up if it's too much haha

22:53

Would you be able to go inside buildings? I'm thinking if someone worked in a giant mall everyday

22:53

Even without going behind the scenes you could avoid most attackers and the amount of people at a weekend would make it hard to get a decent location

With the bulldog game you're also trying to get somewhere rather than just hide, of course, so while that could be useful to lose someone you wouldn't want to hang out there for

Ahh okay I missed that bit!

Or at least, I thought so? Otherwise it's hide and seek

I'm quite probably wrong

the format also featured:

runners can complete challenges to earn coins
no coins required to travel
runners can use coins to buy curses and towers
when a runner is caught, they bequeath any saved curses/towers to a separate runner of their choice and become a chaser

(edited)

Mithent

Or at least, I thought so? Otherwise it's hide and seek

Yeah you're trying to get across London

theorangeone

the format also featured:

runners can complete challenges to earn coins
no coins required to travel
runners can use coins to buy curses and towers
when a runner is caught, they bequeath any saved curses/towers to a separate runner of their choice and become a chaser

(edited)

The last part of this mechanic was most important because it meant that you'd have the entire group chasing one person, but that one person has like 60 curses and towers saved up

Yeah, it would definitely be interesting if it could be run

Nice!!

silly question but...other than ourselves (and our phones/power banks) what should we bring

07:29

kinda wanna travel as light as possible but if it's ideal to take pens or stuff along those lines also then I will

07:32

pens and me have a very bad relationship in that if I have a pen on me 9 times out of 10 the ink will explode

Having some pens and paper somewhere on the team at least is probably useful for challenges (and tracking game progress for other teams?), assuming that's allowed for any relevant challenges (we have had drawing ones in the past). Also you probably want to bring a drink/snack at least since you will otherwise be at the mercy of whenever we can conveniently fit getting refreshments in

Eh I'll have water on me

07:39

trying to gauge how likely is it that other teams are going to go for the very very safe district line run at the bottom

07:40

there's only a few chokepoints

Yeah, Embankment through Tower Hill would only be attackable on the ends, and are mostly quite close together

07:59

Monument/Bank is also a twinned station

Both directions are relatively safe

08:03

But that easterly run is the biggest major concern

08:04

Waterloo and Bank are rather important stations to hold

08:05

by holding one of em you've also got access to attack stations on the other side

08:06

I'm assuming the rules would keep bank and monument separate as per the map which if so... scary (edited)

Waterloo is well connected but mostly south of the river; I'm curious how much action there will be there, with fewer stations and longer distances but also less connections for attack

I could see it

08:09

The rather safe far ends of the Northern line aren't geographically that far away from the rest of the map

08:10

It's a 6 minute bus ride from vauxhall to battersea power station

08:10

it's not anywhere near as disconnected as the map makes it seem

08:12

Will other teams see that though?

08:12

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08:12

I think we'd do better off using a more geographically accurate map of the tube

Yeah, that's true

I actually wouldn't be too opposed to going for that southern run

08:16

I don't say this with any bias being a South Londoner of course

Locking a safe area is probably a more reliable strategy, considering that you won't necessarily win a battle

08:17

Not lived in London itself since I was about 2 so not as optimal local knowledge for me

Only issue is it's just as safe and infinitely worse than that district run

08:22

But obviously people are going to go for that

08:27

also being a londoner I also have a subscription to pret a manger... so if any of you want any coffee or drinks at any point... or if there's a challenge that calls for it...

08:33

Realistically the numbers aren't that much worse

08:33

Assuming we're also going for vauxhall and pimlico (edited)

08:36

It's just going to be quite a bit slower

08:39

All we can hope for is that the other two teams fight to the death over that stretch

08:39

It's... too obvious imo for them not to go for

08:39

I don't see any other option that's as 'safe' with as many stations

It depends if we want to try being passive or aggressive in our strategy

09:35

If we want to be aggressive we should be in the center

09:36

If not we go to the edges

I think we have our Team Sam

10:32

XD

I love a solid plan

Want to do a spreadsheet as well xD (edited)

MajorScafellPike

I think we have our Team Sam

oh no I think this is Team Adam

10:59

Formula is Sam

I don't see Formula doing much preplanning

yeah well Sam does it all in his head

Plus, if the July game is anything to go by, he's a chiller person when it comes to plans

11:00

Hence I always thought he was an Adam/Ben hybrid

fair enough, we should wait and see

11:01

should we get all three teams named after one of the three

In Helpdesk, maybe xD

true

Nah our team name should be like a long thing

We're letting you choose your own team names, dw

Like heck-you-you-fricking-hecker-ill-heck-your-nan-these-memes-are-very-good

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Just fyi, I will just copy and paste that every time if you do choose something in that vein

11:13

Because I can't be asked to type it out every time

#team-heck

11:20

(short for #team-heckmondwike obviously)

theorangeone

(short for #team-heckmondwike obviously)

Nice place

11:21

Even nicer bridges

I like team heck

11:22

Because it implies a sense of some kind of panic to me

MajorScafellPike

Nice place

on the 268 isn't it

Not my area of Yorkshire, but sure

11:23

All I know about Heckmondwike is the old railway line turned cycle path with all the cool bridges on it

MajorScafellPike

Want to do a spreadsheet as well xD (edited)

Was considering it honestly

dabus21

If we want to be aggressive we should be in the center

Is there a reason to be aggressive?

maybe if we're losing

I don't want to influence your planning

votes for team heck?

yeah sure

But if you claim a station and then have to defend it, you have a 100% chance of holding it without defending it or (assumed to be) 50% if you're defending it (edited)

13:11

You get 0% if you don't claim it at all

There's so many safe runs that are in theory incontestable

yeah but theyre also a pain to get to

13:13

albeit you can get to wotahloo from vauxhall

13:13

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if you look at it on a tube map yes

13:14

these places are way more connected than that map will have you believe

ur right

Did you guys say you were locking in Team Heck btw?

is there a rules doc like last time?

13:14

yeh

I'm happy with heck

dabus21

is there a rules doc like last time?

Yes, not sure if I'm supposed to share it with you yet

13:14

But there is one

ok sure would be helpful

13:15

when youre ready (edited)

(It's currently in a folder with material that is definitely classified)

no problem

cough the challenges

13:15

cough

@theorangeone should we publish the rules doc?

anyone know how to hack

13:15

lmao

Barry Heck

these places are way more connected than that map will have you believe

good point though we can be sneaky this way

dabus21

anyone know how to hack

I mean, you guys must know how to heck xD

yeah I was always reluctant on actually using the tube to get around

i should print the walking map

13:18

would help us decide if we should walk to tube between stations

there's some stations that take ages to get from street to platform

factz

cough bank

covent garden too

Waterloo is a station I'm pretty keen to hold because once you have it you can also put pressure on the northern side also

dabus21

covent garden too

Oh, don't even start

13:20

Covent Garden is the station that killed both Arun in the Tom Scott game, and me in the July game here

what kind of idiot decided to make it accessible only via elevator or stairs

13:20

...

dabus21

what kind of idiot decided to make it accessible only via elevator or stairs

The people that don't have much space on the surface to work with

they have space underground though

13:22

just dig more

MajorScafellPike

@theorangeone should we publish the rules doc?

two secs lemme check

MajorScafellPike

@theorangeone should we publish the rules doc?

yeah go right ahead

yey

dabus21

what kind of idiot decided to make it accessible only via elevator or stairs

it's not the only one of those though

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13:29

When I get home I'll edit this map

Barry Heck

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make sure to split Paddington into two as well as Bank/Monument

ofc

13:37

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aight rad

MajorScafellPike

I think we have our Team Sam

So we're the unlucky ones?

14:02

Great

I mean

14:02

Team 2 thus far does not have a great reputation for unparalleled success in these formats

Oh fantastic

Speaking as a former Team 2 Captain

14:02

However

14:03

You can 100% change that

as former team 2 player this is true

sad

its ok the main learning from my last game is to be smart not hard

15:02

our tactics were to play hard

15:02

as pointed out with us completing more challenges yet still losing

Winning a battle is a 50%ish chance of a swing of two - but only with one of the teams, the third team is an interesting change

Mithent

Winning a battle is a 50%ish chance of a swing of two - but only with one of the teams, the third team is an interesting change

yeah, well, it wouldn't be fun if we just copied S4; if it's not got extra twists and turns how will you learn?

despite not knowing what any of the battle challenges are I'm confident that staying above ground and in favourable positions can give us a distinct advantage

15:11

that's 5 minutes we can use to better position ourselves instead of 5 minutes spent resurfacing

this map has a very good positive in that every station has a white circle so can be coloured in

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16:44

enjoy, nerds

There's only one thing I'd change about that

16:46

Or say that it's wrong, anyway

16:47

And that's that the Bakerloo line should go to the District Paddington, not the H+C Paddington

MajorScafellPike

And that's that the Bakerloo line should go to the District Paddington, not the H+C Paddington

It's a bloody pain with the way the map is drawn but yeah, this is the case (if you've ever tried to change to or from the H&C at Paddington, trust me, you'll know what we mean by splitting it off)

I mean

16:53

I can sort of see how you could edit it the correct way round

16:53

It would forsake the geography of the District one being further south

16:53

But it would work

16:54

Which is to swap the two sub surface lines over

16:54

I.e. have the H&C run to the bottom one

16:55

This is a suggestion for someone with far better editing skills than I

Iiiiii didn't even notice

17:18

but cheers for the heads up

Barry Heck

Iiiiii didn't even notice

Paddington on tube maps is a mess, tbh

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17:40

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o ma lawd

You know what

17:40

It's technically correct for what we're doing

harry beck eat your heart out

Wasn't quite the way I would have done it but it works

17:41

Yeah, I'll use that one

oh no that map is copyrighted by team heck

Nah, I'm using that to post map updates for you

Barry Heck

oh no that map is copyrighted by team heck

Barry Heck (edited)

of course

Edgware Road seems to be in two disconnected parts also?

That's because it is

17:44

Bakerloo ER is a completely separate station

ah time for barry heck to make some more adjustments

17:44

hold on tight folks

17:45

oh nvm it's fine

Ah, didn't realise that was also like that

Barry Heck

ah time for barry heck to make some more adjustments

The current version is correct!

Mithent

Edgware Road seems to be in two disconnected parts also?

yeah remember we went to the wrong station last game

Ah, that one, yeah

Correct isn't the word I'd use

Well, OK

17:47

For the purposes of the game

17:48

All the stations we're counting as distinct, are distinct

17:48

And the lines that should go to them go to them

17:48

I realise Paddington is upside down but I don't give a damn!

It's pretty odd to have entirely disconnected stations with the same name and other connected stations with different names, but that's how it is

Mithent

It's pretty odd to have entirely disconnected stations with the same name and other connected stations with different names, but that's how it is

And this is how Jago Hazzard makes a living

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Looking at it there's definitely a better way I could've done that

17:52

But, funny

No better permanent solution than a temporary one, eh

so if we claim edgware road we get 2 claimed stations yes?

17:56

that is by doing 2 separate challenges

Yes

17:56

There's a challenge for the Bakerloo station

17:56

And a different challenge for the District/Circle/H&C one

ok cool

17:57

i gotta say it is a high packed area

17:57

basically 4 stations in 1 hour here

17:57

based on whether the challenges are doable ofc

I'm really looking forward to seeing you all tackle these challenges

OH NO

18:00

I HAVE JUST DISCOVERED ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE MAP

18:01

please await the work of barry heck

barry heck of team heck?

barry heck who makes helpdesk say heck

dabus21

barry heck who makes helpdesk say heck

heck

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Barry Heck

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Thanks, I hate it

MajorScafellPike

heck

cleck

Barry Heck

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Oh wait the Circle line goes from Edgware Road to both Paddingtons

18:08

For extra chaos

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18:10

I don't see any other solution to this mess

Tell ya what

18:11

Let me crude draw how I'd have done it

18:11

See what you think of that

I mean it's better than how it was on the one I dumped in #general

With this one, it only really works with this game in mind

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18:16

(Gross oversimplification) (edited)

18:17

Probably curve the H&C up to rejoin the original line after Edgware Road as well

May I present: fuck

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Barry Heck

May I present: fuck

Sponsored by Edgware Oad

18:20

And it's still wrong

18:20

xD

MajorScafellPike

With this one, it only really works with this game in mind

@Barry Heck try something like this

I love maps

18:32

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18:32

Graphic design is my passion

Still not quite what I had in mind, I thought a bendy H&C would be better than a bendy Bakerloo

18:32

But yeah, basically

Would you like Barry Heck to return to GIMP to provide yet another masterpiece

Barry Heck

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Right - you see this version? Keep the Bakerloo line and all the station placements exactly the same

18:34

Swap the District/Circle and H&C/Circle round

18:35

You might have to move the Edgware Road label around

ah you prefer elegant solutions

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18:36

very well

18:43

oh there is nothing elegant about this

#elegantonpaper

i'm just going to redo paddington from scratch

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Nice

thank you thank you

19:27

if anyone has any better ideas i'm all ears

19:27

but i think that's sleek enough

Agreed, I think it looks great

19:34

Thank you!

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of course credit to mark noad for the map itself

Hello I'm kinda late

02:08

Just wanna chime in

02:08

As long as we avoid interchanges at Euston

02:08

We'll be grand

Barry Heck

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That map is gorgeous

02:10

Think Shoreditch High Street is also zone 1 though?

02:10

Off the top of my head

02:11

Also what are we doing re DLR

02:12

@MajorScafellPike think this is more of a q for you, bc it isn't in the rules doc (edited)

hi! Only the 67 tube stations are up for grabs

02:16

You can use whatever scheduled public transport you want but SHS or Tower Gateway or City Thameslink or suchlike are not claimable

SN15 with brim

As long as we avoid interchanges at Euston

any paticular reason

I am going on a journey today sending me into the depths of zone 1 London so if anyone wants me to try anything just ask

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Difficult to recon when we don't know the challenges, hmm

14:36

When we get the challenges, is the game immediately on?

At the start time of the game, you will be given an envelope containing the challenges

14:36

You may then begin

We should record the start sam style

14:36

Again

I will also post the google doc variant on here as soon as that has happened

14:37

Well, on #helpdesk-announcements

So the faster we decide on the first move the better

It's worth having a plan in mind, certainly

14:39

Well, "ideal objectives", anyway

Mithent

So the faster we decide on the first move the better

Basically we have 2 plans that are challenge dependent

16:30

Either we fight for Oxford circus by going to TCR and Piccadilly Circus

16:30

Or if the challenges don’t suit us we go somewhere on the edge

Well realistically we have quite a few options for Oxford Circus

17:02

just depends on how good the challenges look

there is zero point going straight for it when the area's so dense with stations

problem is we might not be alone

there's no harm in hanging around oxford circus for a min to see if anyone initiates the challenge

Also they’ll probably split in different directions

I'm putting it out there now, count me out of any challenges that require memory

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I don't mind primarily carrying things there

dabus21

any paticular reason

It is hell.

00:04

I am the self proclaimed god of knowing all the best interchanges in zone 1

00:05

My London terminal is King's Cross so I rarely have a reason to transit through Euston

Just avoid euston for all interchanges

00:07

The only good interchange at euston that doesn't require miles of walking is vic north to northern bank branch north

00:07

But that is irrelevant here haha

I usually know area around Waterloo well

I wouldn't particularly say I travel through central London particularly often

13:01

particularly

King's Cross does have a long walk to the Victoria Line if you follow the signs, or not if you go the opposite direction

GOOD AFTERNOON FRIENDS

Oh gosh you do like the caps

WHATS UP

>:)

TEAM CAPS ALSO?

TEAM HECK CAPS

MAYBE

how is everyone DOING on this fine day

I’m GREAT

oh fantastic

Not bad, nice that it's SUNNY! (edited)

sorry for my brief departure everyone I had a job to attend to

16:26

but I am now PRESENT

16:26

is everyone ready to do the thing

I'm not sure how ready I can truly be for the level of deviousness which may be involved here, but as ready as I can!

: )

What thing

17:02

I am still at my job unfortunately

the thing

Ah! The thing my bad

the thing!

good morning acquaintances

Hey! Although now it's well into the afternoon

yes yes

suuuuuuuuuup

Was just checking when I need to get up on Sat! Probably gonna be tired, but it's thematically appropriate

I'm absolutely factoring in time to grab a coffee on my way over

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guten tag

Woof

Hey!

Hallo

Hello!

hey, can team heck designate a point of contact for the helpdesk the game ahead? Basically someone who can take on a role to always be staying online and tracking updates/responding if battle challenges etc.

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I’ll pack a bag today for tomorrow, what are you bringing?

I'm intending on taking my powerbank and some sharpie highlighters

07:21

no clue what else to take

obviously some WATER

07:30

gotta stay hydrated fellow heckers

theorangeone

hey, can team heck designate a point of contact for the helpdesk the game ahead? Basically someone who can take on a role to always be staying online and tracking updates/responding if battle challenges etc.

if noone else wants to be terminally online I will

Barry Heck

no clue what else to take

money to buy things

we live in a tap tap world

I mean alternatively ensure you can tap tap

I've actually gotten so used to tap tapping that I've forgotten my ID when needed before as why would I ever need my card wallet

08:53

My thoughts for bag were the basics tbh-

Powerbank
Water
Snacks
Pens
Hand sanitiser
Tissues I might see if I've got any cash somewhere though just in case we need to dive into a corner shop somewhere

I'll have a paper ticket, so I'll be trying to avoid demagnetising it... and yeah, having cash was useful for me before when I needed to buy street food

might bring a wee bit of cash

i bring cash

I only have £10 in cash at home I think

12:55

I very much don't use it

most newsagents take cards these days

yeah but they get money taken from them with card

12:59

cash is fairer

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it's london

I still see £10 minimum for card signs everywhere even though it's not allowed anymore.. Cash is easier

rain very unlikely tomorrow also now too

Don't tempt it

hello HECKERS

17:05

I am on my way home from work rn

17:05

I will be attending the local ASDA

17:06

does anyone want SNACKS

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I miss having a local Asda

noone has asked for snacks

17:56

this makes me sad

I've sorted my own but thank you!

I've bought one of those huel meal replacement things just incase

18:22

I'd hate for it to come to that personally they sound VILE

A few challenges do involve the eating of food

emergency supplement of course

read them and then decide your meals tbh

i'll have it for breakfast then

19:33

:p

I'm 2/2 for managing to eat lunch as part of a challenge so far, though the second was close, we only just pulled the card before I bought something else

GOOD MORNING HECKERS

https://youtu.be/Gjq7G249ctY?si=OKD0Od8m9KZlsQ-M

Trumpeter's Stuff

REVEILLE & ASSEMBLY Bugle Calls on Trumpet [Army Wake Up Trumpet]

07:18

Good morning

07:18

Have you memorized the tube map yet?

I know all the stations on the Waterloo & City line

that's it we've won

Gooooood morningggg

good day heckers

09:10

I am going UNDERGROUND in t minus one minute

09:10

see you soon

See you soon soldier

Everyone’s on their ways?

No I am attending important business of grabbing breakfast... But then I will be

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09:37

I'm near Victoria station atm so will be easy to get up with my croissant

HECKERS where are you

On my way, near Euston, walking a bit since there was some sun

aight rad

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Battle Challenge - Find the most famous blue plaque (longest Wikipedia article)

Cool

You have five minutes

YEAH BABY

that opening move worked wonders

Is battle over?

Yep

I predict a battle for picc circus

Battle has been declared by Team 1 for Piccadilly Circus @Team 2

13:15

Please acknowledge

Roger Roger

Ack

Yes

1318

Cool

We’re ready

Battle Challenge @Team 2 - Get your entire team as high as you can above ground level, you have five minutes

@Team 2 Team 1 want to fight again

15:16

This time for Tottenham Court Road

Ack

Expected

1520

15:20

Battle Challenge - @Team 2 Photograph the most non-human, non-microscopic animals, you have five minutes until 1525

@Team 2 would you be interested in another half hour of game time?

16:54

So an 1800 finish

No

OK

17:04

@Team 2 it's the news you've been waiting hours for

17:05

Team 3 want a battle for Green Park

17:05

Acknowledge

Ok

1709 start

17:09

Battle Challenge - @Team 2 London cabs have registration numbers on the back. Find the closest registration number to 42000. You have five minutes.

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Boo

This is a walkover

17:10

Don’t tell them though

It's time

Can we have a final answer please

It’s a walkover

We didn't attempt

We got none

there was no point

17:15

we have other options

17:15

cabs are non existent here

17:16

we can give one station up

Surprised y'all didn't battle for Westminster when you got Green Park

We kinda forgot team 3 even existed at that point

I mean, you were at Westminster when they got it, no?

Yes but we were worried about team 1

20:03

Cause team 3 had no chance of winning

Huh

20:41

OK

friends, idk what each individual menu items is worth I am sorry to say

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Maybe mine was this?

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crikey McDonald's is expensive

21:28

yeah that'd be it

21:28

I'm on a train right now but when I get home and can lay down in a bed I will DISCUSS

21:28

Good fun was had by all

Also on a train, standing room only after previous issues but on the way at least!

21:33

And it was good, yep! I enjoyed the energy of the team too

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