JetLag UK and Ireland - helpdesk-may31

15:19

@Helpdesk opinions?

15:19

My current opinion is that we don't have a hard map boundary, we only have hiding zones, therefore anything could be counted/included.

I would exclude the airport question since it's just zone 1 anyway

15:22

And I forgot about city airport, but wouldn't a lot of areas in zone 1 be closest to that anyway?

15:24

I just measured and Notting Hill Gate is still (just about) closer to City than Heathrow

15:24

Seems like a pointless question

I think it is a close call because the west end of Z1 is pretty much as far from Heathrow as it is from City. It seems to depend on which marker / Terminal you choose to measure Heathrow. So to avoid confusion or misinformation we should exclude it all together

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By the way, slightly off-topic here but imagine in a all-london game, would biggin hill count as an airport or not?

15:30

I think the easiest distinction is to just allow public terminals only, excluding biggin hill, otherwise lines get blurred even more with random fields, private terminals, RAF bases etc that technically could be used for airplanes

15:31

But that's an interesting edge case

But due to the amount of little canals, lakes , fountains and so on we should check for what is defined as a body of water. For example you could sit in Battersea Park 150m from the themse and depending on what you define the boating lake your closest body of water is either the themse or the lake. In Kensington Gardens you have the pond in front of the palace. Depending on the definition this could be a body of water or just a fountain...

I think if it shows up on google maps in blue it's fine

15:34

So the seekers know it is an option

15:34

So we can exclude random puddles

but allow ponds, canals, etc

sevenseas

I think the easiest distinction is to just allow public terminals only, excluding biggin hill, otherwise lines get blurred even more with random fields, private terminals, RAF bases etc that technically could be used for airplanes

Maybe: If it has flights scheduled in Google Flights it's an Airport?

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sevenseas

I think if it shows up on google maps in blue it's fine

Ok so the airport can just go then?

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sevenseas

So we can exclude random puddles

but allow ponds, canals, etc

My closest "Body of Water" is my neighbours pool

15:38

Why is there a Remix tag? What is that?

I edited the photo in discord to cross out my street name.

15:39

I think that's why they tagged it

sevenseas

I think if it shows up on google maps in blue it's fine

How about it has a name on Google Maps at least? I mean this corner of Battersea Park is ridiculous

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Yeah I think we need to be a bit more specific if your neighbour's pool is shown in blue. I think if it has a name, that's a good idea to ensure only the 'major' bodies of water are included

Can you guys see the responses for the Spectator signups from the Briefing document link?

I can't

Hmm.. Weird

09:30

Have you got the central account login?

Ah that might be why, i'll try again on my laptop this evening

09:31

Also what did we decide regarding radar dodging?

Realigning

Also what did we decide regarding radar dodging?

Vote result is that is should be allowed - so its allowed

Hm

09:34

Looks like a 50/50 split to me

Well, the majority of players voted to allow (edited)

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I still feel it's kinda money waste not going without a winner.

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I mean most of us went all the way to Ireland

This is London H&S.

I'm just stating from this issue we had back in Ireland and whether radar dodging would've been allowed then.

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

I'm just stating from this issue we had back in Ireland and whether radar dodging would've been allowed then.

I think any decision we make, if appropriately communicated before the game starts, will enable us all to be clear about the rules and therefore agree on a game winner if the same thing happens again

Which is why I've put out that amendments document

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So we have 4 helpdesk

13:57

Do you think we should have one following each game, and then a 4th person acting as like a decision consultant who can rotate in when necessary?

I think that's the best way to do it

15:26

otherwise there are potential issues with 2 or more helpdeskers answering the same message

15:26

leave 1 per game + 1 backup in case someone is going on a break or something

Tbh no Helpdesk in Ireland wasn't really our idea

16:01

We did asked a couple of times at least

sevenseas

leave 1 per game + 1 backup in case someone is going on a break or something

4th person can also own ongoing notes about application of the rules/any hard decisions that require multiple people's views

In regards to #game3-may31

19:01

What would be your interpretation if endgame was reached, the seekers asked for (as an example) tallest structure from transit station), and the hiders were for some reason close enough to the transit station to see the same structure from the same angle

19:01

So they could theoretically take the photo without moving

A weird edge case I thought of. I think in that case you would still just send the photo, right?

19:09

Youi only say 'unable to answer' when unable to answer (as you can't move)

Fahmi Sack

Can you guys see the responses for the Spectator signups from the Briefing document link?

^ Are you guys able to see who's signed up, and assign them the spectator role?

Honestly I don't know

To answer chrno's question in general

22:07

Is it like 'look straight up, to a point above you, and then imagine increasingly large circles centred around that point until you find a structure'?

It's just what looks tallest to you from your perspective

22:09

Not necessarily what's tallest in reality

22:10

In most cases it should be apparent which one is the tallest, if not, then eyeball it or choose a random one if there are several buildings of the same height

22:11

I don't think there's a built in rule in the book about disambiguating multiple answers for this question so I assume it will be up to the hiders to choose any suitably vague building that is the tallest (or one of the equally tallest)

sevenseas

It's just what looks tallest to you from your perspective

Isn't that the same as what i wrote? Or if not, how is it different? (edited)

If I understand correctly, the way you word it implies you must take the closest structure if there are multiple of the same height from your perspective

22:15

I don't think the rules imply that

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No i mean the circles expand according to angles in your vision

22:16

Not according to objective distance

Oh right, sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying

22:17

22:18

And what do you consider as a 'structure'? I would argue most things count for that even streetlamps though that doesn't give a lot of information (edited)

22:19

The title says 'structure' then the description talks about 'buildings'

I was thinking about the case where like you have a single storey building but then it has a giant aerial or something on top of it that would make it taller

22:22

In that case i expected that you should count the aerial, but i guess it's open to interpretation

Who can send me the login for the tracker Gmail? And what time does help desk meet?

Max (v3rtico)

Who can send me the login for the tracker Gmail? And what time does help desk meet?

Check DM. Ideally somewhere between 8 - 8.30am UK so you can prepare as the players also prepare

Fahmi Sack

Check DM. Ideally somewhere between 8 - 8.30am UK so you can prepare as the players also prepare

Can you send that to me as well please?

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00:34

I'll login at 8am tomorrow

Max (v3rtico)

Who can send me the login for the tracker Gmail? And what time does help desk meet?

Weeb and I will be physically there, so we won't get back to our helpdesk desks until some time after

@Helpdesk anyone on a PC rn to check tracking

I am on my PC

08:02

Need someone with that Google Account to confirm my Login

Max (v3rtico)

I am on my PC

Can you open Google maps on the central account and check the trackings

https://g.co/verifyaccount

Max (v3rtico)

Need someone with that Google Account to confirm my Login

Is there another option?

Call or SMS to a number ending with 97

SMS that number

Thats new: I need to enter the whole number to send the SMS:

08:07

Tracker-wise I currently have Fahmi, Migle and S Ren

Migle is Naktine

08:09

Fahmi is... Me.

Hello

Keep me updated with who you can see

Bird Hat = Nakari

Let me turn on my PC it's annoying on mobile

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Max (v3rtico)

Thats new: I need to enter the whole number to send the SMS:

08:16

same here

I need to attribute the players to their Games

Use a different method, Max can approve the 2FA through "different device"

Max (v3rtico)

I need to attribute the players to their Games

I've done that on discord with roles?

08:22

How are we with trackers?

Fahmi Sack

Use a different method, Max can approve the 2FA through "different device"

08:22

use another phone or computer?

Yes

Fahmi Sack

How are we with trackers?

Still 6 trackers

Airplane person = dabus

S ren is trashpanda

Alec is Alec

it's still not letting me in i think someone needs to confirm my login

@sevenseas @Max (v3rtico) which game do you guys want to follow

08:26

@FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb will be the 4th person answering questions and tracking all games

Alec is sharing with you

Anyone got link of the trackers

FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb

Anyone got link of the trackers

It's being sorted

08:28

Game 2 Alecs team hiding first please give them the Hiding role

08:28

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sevenseas

it's still not letting me in i think someone needs to confirm my login

Should be confirmed now

Game 1 Naktine and Nakari hiding first

Yep

08:30

Game 3 team of 3 hiding first

Can we please have exactly 1 tracker per Team?

Max (v3rtico)

Can we please have exactly 1 tracker per Team?

Who are we missing

I mean Naktine or Nakari, not both

Max (v3rtico)

I mean Naktine or Nakari, not both

Both are sharing. Bird Hat and Migle

08:32

Oh you want exactly one

Hiders: Game1: Naktine + Nakari Game2: Alec + AVUNCULAR Game3: Mitthent + Dabus + Verum

Yes so each dot on the map is one team

We don't have Nathan

08:33

CoolDog?

Bird Hat stopped the sharing

CoolDog is location sharing now, that's the one we were missing

CoolDog is Nathan

08:34

Helpdesk ready to go?

08:34

All locations sorted?

We need one from game 1 Naktine or Nakari

08:34

Unless theyre using another name?

Which team is Trashpanda?

on the tracker

Max (v3rtico)

Which team is Trashpanda?

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sevenseas

We need one from game 1 Naktine or Nakari

Migle is Naktine

Game 3, the 2 person team

sevenseas

We need one from game 1 Naktine or Nakari

Naktine and Nakari are Bird Hat/Migle

Ah okay so it's sorted then

08:35

We have all the trackers that we need

Do you guys want 08:40 or 08:45 start?

I'm ready to start at 08:40

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Realigning

@sevenseas @Max (v3rtico) which game do you guys want to follow

^

08:40 start!

I'll do game 2

08:38

Which one are you guys taking?

Do the Hiding Roles!!!

08:38

So the Hiders can see Hiding chats

We don't have perms to add roles / chanel permissions (edited)

08:39

Needs to be you or otaku

What about now?

Now I can

I'll do game 1

One moment I'll sort out the hiding roles

Then I will be doing Game 3

08:45

Just to confirm: Hiders Chat is only the current hiders so we can ask them to post their target station for their hiding location there?

Max (v3rtico)

Just to confirm: Hiders Chat is only the current hiders so we can ask them to post their target station for their hiding location there?

Correct but we don't need to ask them now, just when the 30 min hiding period is up

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