JetLag UK and Ireland - b4b-helpdesk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RgwOtSPuy-o_ovEcK4EAACgI2kI6FAU6/view?usp=drive_link

London boroughs labelled.png

12:03

Assuming nobody is going to automate this in time, here is a quick png we could use to announce changes to the map

12:03

I'm also in the process of making a tracking spreadsheet

12:17

please fill in this poll for availability on helpdesk briefing

Helpdesk briefing for this game will be Sunday at 4:30pm UK

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@Helpdesk briefing at 4:30 reminder

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Or 01/06/2025 16:30 (converts to local time)

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I might be slightly late a couple minutes

Did I write the time correctly?

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Yes

In meeting room

I'm still doubting whether to attend

16:32

Probably because I'm playing it's probs best not to

I'll be on soon - just got food lol

@Aspen (they/them) can you attend the vc?

sevenseas

@Aspen (they/them) can you attend the vc?

https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1059625400763961364

@Fahmi Sack https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zlrO3ysf3iiAQkGhkF5r9lf8e3lTVJlNPtvbZmdP6so/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

Boroughs, Wheel and Challenge Details

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QQuuq1z0zoo8_OqJYXjxAVffG3cAFsJPBhsPZgo_RgA/edit?usp=drive_link

Helpdesk Process

16:47

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W9BuCTcjpiANfMd-mrAwOZfd2XZWugUM_7jzQUNpryU/edit?usp=sharing

Helpdesk Tracking

16:50

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RgwOtSPuy-o_ovEcK4EAACgI2kI6FAU6/view?usp=sharing

London boroughs labelled.png

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W9BuCTcjpiANfMd-mrAwOZfd2XZWugUM_7jzQUNpryU/edit?usp=sharing

Helpdesk Tracking

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zlrO3ysf3iiAQkGhkF5r9lf8e3lTVJlNPtvbZmdP6so/edit?usp=sharing

Boroughs, Wheel and Challenge Details

@Realigning I've added a function to generate the next challenge with equal odds below the one that's been made. You can replace the original one after checking it (edited)

18:34

Added some colours for now. Green cells are ones we can change, and red ones are ones we shouldn't (unless we're editing formulas). The checkbox next to the RNG is to cause an update to the spreadsheet and run the RNG. (edited)

Not going to have time to do spectator signup today. Can make it tomorrow evening unless someone else wants to make it before then

Done, put it in the B4B folder in GDrive

@FormulaOtaku/RacingWeeb can we close signups if we get 1 more person?

13:49

I think 12 people/3 teams probably maximum we can manage

Just let me know when you think it's right time.

Sure. Not yet.

We might have one more so I'll keep watch.

13:50

Oh and considering I'm playing i will need to mute myself off here.

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Are players supposed to see the challenges???

Can they see the challenges at the moment?

14:21

The doc link on announcements only has the borough activation times

Fahmi Sack

Are players supposed to see the challenges???

We should release the list of locking challenges before the game starts, though, as discussed during helpdesk briefing. Just not sure exactly when.

Realigning

We should release the list of locking challenges before the game starts, though, as discussed during helpdesk briefing. Just not sure exactly when.

Currently my thoughts would be releasing that list at 9am on the day

14:28

Then people have a few mins to read them all before the game actually starts

@Fahmi Sack we can turn off the sign up form now, we're full

Yeah a few minutes before game start sounds reasonable

Probably good to release them just before the game starts

Team 2 just mentioned maps... Do we have any?

Fahmi Sack

Team 2 just mentioned maps... Do we have any?

Yes. We have ratt's borough boundaries map (i can't remember which chat it was on, but posted not long ago)

16:22

Then, on the drive, we have the diagram of claims and locks which we will use to display points. I need to minorly update that to include a 3rd team.

How practical is it to move all wheel times back instead of just the first set of time in the case of a late start? (edited)

I don't think there's any reason we can't do it, i just don't want to make the game go on for too long. Want to accommodate the likelihood of a pub meet up in the evening, and it might take the teams more than 30mins just to converge at the end of the game

16:31

I think it would be good if we actually ended at 6

Okay

We could shorten the lunch break. Personally i think if we start after 9:45 for some unforeseen reasons, we can shorten the lunch break

MediocreLogarithm257

How practical is it to move all wheel times back instead of just the first set of time in the case of a late start? (edited)

It's a fairly short game so we can push it back 30 mins I think. If there's a late start. So the first rounds 0930 to 1030 instead of 0900 1000, and so on. I think it was designed to end at 1800 now so I don't think an extra 30 mins at 1830 is going to be pose any issues for people (?) (edited)

I think we should assign one helpdesk per game, and put this in the respective chat: Hello from Helpdesk! We hope you'll have a great game. We're here to make sure things work as they should, approve your challenge attempts, and clarify things if need be. Please note we that there may be times where helpdesk is busy, so we may be using the following reactions: ✅ Approved. ✏️ We've seen it, we're working on it! ❌ Not approved. Explanation to follow. When submitting an attempt, please also mention the task you are attempting, to avoid confusions.

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Ok so who does what?

19:06

Or should we RNG it

Fahmi Sack

Or should we RNG it

I would like to attend the start of the game in person, so I think it makes sense for me to be the 4th person not assigned to a specific team to make a helpdesk role work despite that

19:08

I can get back from Bank to my desk in about half an hour

Ok, I agree in that case.

19:08

That leaves myself, Mediocre and Sevenseas - not sure about Aspen showing up

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I don't mind taking on work around clarfiying challenges on an ongoing basis, etc. - things that aren't associated with a specific team and each team's cycle of updates in the process diagram. or, if the workload gets too much over the course of the game, I can also take over all of the map updates.

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Fahmi Sack

That leaves myself, Mediocre and Sevenseas - not sure about Aspen showing up

@sevenseas @MediocreLogarithm257 you guys have any preferences on which team you'd like to helpdesk - or not to helpdesk?

I don't have any particular preference

The difference in strategy planning between teams at the moment is something I've not seen on this server before... Team 1: Yeah lets plan something. Team 2: Full planning mode Team 3: ...

Hi! I see the Team 3 chat for some reason, not the others. (I wouldn't mind spectating though) (edited)

@Fahmi Sack can you post the spectator signup on announcements?

sevenseas

It's a fairly short game so we can push it back 30 mins I think. If there's a late start. So the first rounds 0930 to 1030 instead of 0900 1000, and so on. I think it was designed to end at 1800 now so I don't think an extra 30 mins at 1830 is going to be pose any issues for people (?) (edited)

I still would rather shorten the lunch break than delay the end time, I think (edited)

21:29

i would advocate for not changing any activation times other than the first set unless start is later than 0930, in which case the morning times are moved by the corresponding number of minutes

21:33

it's quite a physically active game, teams will be travelling a lot, especially compared to a game like H&S where you spend half the time hiding

how long is the lunch break now?

so i wouldn't shrink it to less than 30 minutes

21:42

that point would be reached at 10:00 start

21:42

(which i think is unlikely anyway)

21:42

if it is delayed after even that point, then we can delay the finish time

Realigning

@Fahmi Sack can you post the spectator signup on announcements?

Will do!

Mithent

Hi! I see the Team 3 chat for some reason, not the others. (I wouldn't mind spectating though) (edited)

You should be able to see all channels as a Senior Dev, I've manually done that now.

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Realigning

@Fahmi Sack can you post the spectator signup on announcements?

Do you also want a spectator chat?

yes please

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Realigning

@Fahmi Sack can you post the spectator signup on announcements?

Done.

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Locking challenges list is currently being printed. I will pick it up today

Those Ryman employees absolutely read the challenges list when they printed it out

12:35

The way they were looking at me...

Realigning

Those Ryman employees absolutely read the challenges list when they printed it out

Don't they charge like £1 per page!!! I could have printed them out and mailed them to you for cheaper lol

13:46

I've just found out something cool... anyone able to jump into VC rn so I can show?

I can

https://discord.com/channels/1059625399979606166/1059625400763961364

What do we here actually think the winning strategy would be?

20:49

I'm a little concerned that we may have got the balance wrong

I think the claiming challenges should be somewhat harder

21:07

On average

21:07

Than they are at the moment

21:08

At the moment i think they would not actually take an average of 15 minutes as we indicated. For a lot of them it feels more like 5.

Realigning

What do we here actually think the winning strategy would be?

Not following in detail but I would guess that the winning strategy would be to lock in boroughs before the wheel gets there, and keep ahead of the wheel.

Fahmi Sack

Not following in detail but I would guess that the winning strategy would be to lock in boroughs before the wheel gets there, and keep ahead of the wheel.

Ok it's reassuring that your view isn't the same as mine. I would probably lock two or three central boroughs at the start then spend the rest of the game only claiming the wheel boroughs where possible, on the anticipation that only some of them would get locked

Realigning

At the moment i think they would not actually take an average of 15 minutes as we indicated. For a lot of them it feels more like 5.

I feel the claiming challenges should be somewhat harder to slightly shift the balance between claiming and locking. Some of the claiming challenges would be like, 20 times easier than the corresponding locking challenge (edited)

I just wrote in 6 new claiming challenges, slightly harder, which we could add to the random rotation to balance things out a bit. I've also suggested (highlighted) 6 easiest challenges i feel they could replace (edited)

23:29

Also accepted/enacted all of Mediocre's earlier suggestions

I think 60 minures is enough to claim and lock 1 borough, or claim 2-3

05:12

Have we been clear about the fact that multiple teams can have claims simultaneously?

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Yes

@Realigning what time do you want Helpdesk to be online for?

Fahmi Sack

@Realigning what time do you want Helpdesk to be online for?

9:00

Just created helpdesk vc

08:42

I think we should primarily use vc in this one like we did in BFZ1 Lite

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MediocreLogarithm257

I think 60 minures is enough to claim and lock 1 borough, or claim 2-3

I think the balance should be claiming 2 boroughs takes approximately as long as claiming and locking 1 borough

10:28

If you can claim 3 boroughs in that time, that's clearly the superior strategy

10:30

Anyway, we'll see what happens. I would like people to look over the last 6 challenges i just put in though

I think claiming 3 requires going to the border of 3 boroughs, which is probably not a good location in most cases

MediocreLogarithm257

I think claiming 3 requires going to the border of 3 boroughs, which is probably not a good location in most cases

I'm assuming you would be travelling, not putting yourseld on the border. But you have time to travel, because in most cases you'd also need to travel if you wanted to do the locking challenge of the first borough after claiming it

14:22

Hmm.. sounds like he's discovered my tactic. Never thought about the feasibility though

What team should I be help desk for?

I don't think we've decided that yet. But what we have agreed is that @Realigning would be the 4th doing maps/admin/cover etc. because he'll be going to Bank in person.

For the new challenges, the flowers, "London", and property for sale challenges look good. Maybe reduce the time restriction between guesses for 25 questions. (edited)

18:37

As for the graffiti challenge, I'm not certain about the requirement. Can you explain it further? For word search, how would we consider borough names that are longer than 10 letters, or consist of multiple words? Are we allowing bends for word search?

18:39

My first thought for 25 questions was that you could ask all 25 in quick succession, but have to wait for (25 minutes - time spent) if you fail. (edited)

MediocreLogarithm257

As for the graffiti challenge, I'm not certain about the requirement. Can you explain it further? For word search, how would we consider borough names that are longer than 10 letters, or consist of multiple words? Are we allowing bends for word search?

I think for the longer names we could ask for one component of the name

19:05

For example "Fulham"

MediocreLogarithm257

My first thought for 25 questions was that you could ask all 25 in quick succession, but have to wait for (25 minutes - time spent) if you fail. (edited)

Agreed, that's better

Are we allowing challenge forfeits like we did in Battle for Z1?

MediocreLogarithm257

Are we allowing challenge forfeits like we did in Battle for Z1?

Can you explain this, sorry, I don't remember

You can decide not to do a challenge after drawing it if you think it’s too difficult or takes too much time (edited)

Yeah i think it makes sense to do that here as well with the claiming challenges

20:19

With the locking challenges, it doesn't really make any difference because there's no concept of "drawing" the challenge - it's just always there

MediocreLogarithm257

As for the graffiti challenge, I'm not certain about the requirement. Can you explain it further? For word search, how would we consider borough names that are longer than 10 letters, or consist of multiple words? Are we allowing bends for word search?

don't think we should allow bends for this btw

MediocreLogarithm257

As for the graffiti challenge, I'm not certain about the requirement. Can you explain it further? For word search, how would we consider borough names that are longer than 10 letters, or consist of multiple words? Are we allowing bends for word search?

ok, for the graffiti one, I don't really have enough time to explain myself now so we can just not put it in

21:47

i'm putting in the other 5 now

right, that's the claiming challenges list finalised! and we can use Mediocre's way of drawing them as well

22:07

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W9BuCTcjpiANfMd-mrAwOZfd2XZWugUM_7jzQUNpryU/edit?usp=sharing reposting tracking spreadsheet in preparation for tomorrow

Helpdesk Tracking

Realigning pinned a message to this channel. 06/06/2025 22:07

slightly improved map template to create little wheels for the situation of multiple claims without a lock

Realigning

slightly improved map template to create little wheels for the situation of multiple claims without a lock

Do you have an editable file?

22:52

I forgot - you're going to mainly do the map editing

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I’ll be available for most of the game, but not the entirety. I may need some help in the middle of the game

Oh also one thing to note about the "forfeit"

08:24

We have to draw claiming challenges so teams have to announce when they are trying them

08:24

But they could just come back and do them later as well if they want

okay

Morning! I'll be online soon

Fahmi Sack

Morning! I'll be online soon

Quick question

08:39

You only need the JLTG account to test if location sharing is working right?

08:39

Nothing else to coordinate from the JLTG account for that to work?

08:39

Iirc they just need to enter the email address into their contacts

I don't think I understand what you mean

08:44

Realigning

You only need the JLTG account to test if location sharing is working right?

I'm online now, so I can test the trackers from my end if needed

08:56

So far none

Good morning

Team 1 - Me Team 2 - Mediocre Team 3 - Sevenseas

Only Edison is sharing location correctly atm

What about now?

Joe's working

09:09

Team 3 tracker the only one missing now

Now?

Wrong method by Weeb.

09:10

He emailed a link You should not email a link

Should have just been fixed?

Now it's working

09:12

All trackers working well now

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Fahmi Sack

Click to see original message

This one?

Start time 09:25

09:22

So first set of 7 boroughs activation times would be 09:25-10:25

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Do you want us to announce wheel activations?

Yes, I would think so

09:27

Announ ce in general

25 questions: Amy from Jet Lag

@Realigning Does the sandwich maing have to be real, as in properly create the sandwich, or simply taking a photo is ok?

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Can’t chat for now, but can still listen

@MediocreLogarithm257 thoughts on #b4b-team3chat

11:34

800mb video

11:34

but i did see them walk 400m on the tracker

I'm going to need to take another break midgame because my lunch won't be ready in time lol

I'm back

I'm back now

How do I record the VC?

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When shall we have the helpdesk briefing and discussion?

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